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Joanna Cherry

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Stiffasaboard · 13/05/2019 19:59

Accused of bullying and facing a huge political storm

Is this all from that GC tweet she agreed with?

If so it’s a terrible orchestrated pile on

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professorpecked · 13/05/2019 21:46

The 'allegations' posted are not bullying. They are her personal opinions.

youllhavehadyourtea · 13/05/2019 21:49

accusations of 'bullying and homophpbia' , according to the Herald.

odd.

LassOfFyvie · 13/05/2019 21:52

The 'allegations' posted are not bullying. They are her personal opinions

I think you have missed the point. There are allegations of bullying which are being investigated by parliamentary authorities. The substantive content of those aren't posted anywhere.

Cherry's comments on self ID etc are her opinions.

professorpecked · 13/05/2019 21:55

I'm referring to the 'allegations' posted above by your very self at 20.23.

DpWm · 13/05/2019 21:59

So it's a typical social-media storm of
"It's fine for us to bully you now because you're a [banned term] and there are allegations made against you already for other stuff"

2BthatUnnoticed · 13/05/2019 22:10

The airing of the allegations seems to have rallied people in support of Joanna... “we’re not daft lass, we can see a smear campaign for what it is,” seems to be the predominant sentiment.

Of course she’s not all “sweetness and light,” she’s a politician not Mary Poppins Hmm

LassOfFyvie · 13/05/2019 22:12

professorpecked

I'm referring to the 'allegations' posted above by your very self at 20.23

Dearie me. You're scraping the barrel there. It was widely documented on many news sources that Cherry stated that the nurse was married to a Tory councillor. Even if the nurse had been , what relevance did it have to the point the nurse was making other than to try to discredit her. It's a very unusual "personal opinion" to have - that someone is married to a Tory councillor. That's not an opinion- it's an error.

It was widely reported in many news sources that Cherry attacked Emily Thornberry for failing to attend a vote and that she never apologised when told why Thornberry wasn't present.

It's a very unusual "personal opinion" to have - that someone failed to turn for a Commons vote for no good reason. That's not an opinion- it's an error.

LassOfFyvie · 13/05/2019 22:15

The airing of the allegations seems to have rallied people in support of Joanna... “we’re not daft lass, we can see a smear campaign for what it is,” seems to be the predominant sentiment

It isn't a smear campaign- unless of course you are going to allege the people who made the complaints are lying. One poster has already suggested that.

Cherry was lucky that so far the bullying allegations weren't widely known. Now they are. Tough.

2BthatUnnoticed · 13/05/2019 22:41

Wrong. It is possible for both (a) the allegations of the four staffers to have merit and (b) this information to have been leaked now as part of a campaign to smear Joanna.

What on earth have her alleged comments about the nurse, or the colleague who missed a vote, got to do with this?

LassOfFyvie · 13/05/2019 22:48

What on earth have her alleged comments about the nurse, or the colleague who missed a vote, got to do with this?

There is nothing "alleged" about her comments about the nurse or Emily Thornberry - unless "alleged" has acquired a very bizarre new meaning. Cherry did at least apologise to the nurse but not to Thornberry.

What they have to with this - very little other than the fawning over her was a bit nauseating.

She’s an incredibly nice, strong, ethical woman

Joanna is a lawyer so be surprised if she posted/did anything that could be deemed illegal

Birdsfoottrefoil · 13/05/2019 23:30

The committee questioning showed that Cherry is not ‘sweetness and light’ but rather doesn’t shy away from facts for fear of upsetting people. She is also a politician and when has a politician not tried to discredit the views of people in opposition to them on either a single issue or a party one? Have these people never watched prime ministers questions? Suggesting you are simply trying to score a political point on behalf of your spouse is pretty run of the mill stuff.

2BthatUnnoticed · 13/05/2019 23:32

I had no prior knowledge of the nurse/colleague comments and have not independently verified them. Hence “alleged.” End derail/

LassOfFyvie · 13/05/2019 23:43

Suggesting you are simply trying to score a political point on behalf of your spouse is pretty run of the mill stuff

It's pretty idiotic to suggest that was the game plan when the spouse didn't exist and Cherry had absolutely no justification for thinking there was a spouse. The person she was trying to discredit was a member of the public on Question Time, not a politician and the point Cherry was trying to rubbish was a fact about nurses' pay, not a political opinion.

LassOfFyvie · 13/05/2019 23:51

2BthatUnnoticed

I had no prior knowledge of the nurse/colleague comments and have not independently verified them. Hence “alleged.” End derail/

How disingenuous. Both incidents were widely reported by mainstream media when they happened and can easily be checked but here you go.

BBC News - Election 2017: Apology for TV debate food bank nurse
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39997155

Joanna Cherry, of Edinburgh South West, has not publicly apologised for tweeting that it was “unacceptable” that Emily Thornberry, shadow foreign secretary, had declined to vote on Brexit in the Commons. She and Stewart McDonald, the SNP defence spokesman, challenged Ms Thornberry and John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, who was absent for health reasons

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/joanna-cherry-mps-misguided-tweet-made-emily-thornberry-an-abuse-target-hzffnnjt7

PencilsInSpace · 14/05/2019 00:14

I have no idea whether these allegations have any grounding in fact or not.

Nevertheless they are as nothing compared with what Cherry has faced over the last few weeks. She has had to employ security just so that she can meet with her constituents because she has received death threats.

Of course any allegations like this need to be investigated in the usual manner. Nevertheless, the way these allegations have been weaponised against her is absolutely disgusting and I have nothing but contempt for anyone joining in with that.

Anyone with a couple of brain cells and no dodgy agenda can clearly see that this is being framed as 'she deserved it'.

Shit stinks.

2BthatUnnoticed · 14/05/2019 00:23

Lass I live nowhere near the UK. I assure you the news media here did not report on those matters. Why would they?

And why should I go down the google rabbit hole to verify some obscure facts which are utterly irrelevant to the OP? Confused

If the word “alleged” annoys you for some reason, link your sources in the first place so people don’t need to use it.

PencilsInSpace · 14/05/2019 00:28

And why should I go down the google rabbit hole to verify some obscure facts which are utterly irrelevant to the OP?

Yes, it smacks of 'fling enough shit until something sticks' doesn't it?

LassOfFyvie · 14/05/2019 00:53

If the word “alleged” annoys you for some reason, link your sources in the first place so people don’t need to use it

I had already said both incidents were widely reported and set out the content of what they were. I said Cherry had apologised to the nurse but had not apologised to Emily Thornberry. Why on earth would she apologise if she hadn't said it ? There was plenty of information in my posts about what the 2 incidents were.
Your use of "alleged" was nothing more than trying to suggest I was either making them up or posting stories of doubtful provenance.

There are ridiculous posts on here about how nice and ethical and how she wouldn't do anything wrong. In the case of the nurse and Thornberry her ill informed comments resulted in a pile on of both of them.

The bullying allegations have not come to light via Harrop or Madigan but because one of the persons involved in them is clearly annoyed at what she sees as Cherry's hypocrisy. Are you suggesting that person, Iona Paton, should shut up?

2BthatUnnoticed · 14/05/2019 02:00

... I do not.

Are you suggesting that person, Iona Paton, should shut up?

No, not at all Confused

2BthatUnnoticed · 14/05/2019 02:03

Your use of “alleged” was nothing more than trying to suggest I was either making them up or posting stories of doubtful provenance.

It was nothing of the sort. You are massively projecting. You may use “alleged” to convey that but I do not.

bettybeans · 14/05/2019 03:49

Of course Joanna Cherry isn't all "sweetness and light", I've never met a politician who is. "Sweetness and light" doesn't get shit done and I've no interest at all in seeing either of those characteristics on an MP's CV or in the job description. Joanna's stock is rising at a phenomenal rate and while I'm not remotely surprised to see Labour supporters freaking out about her and trying to exaggerate the severity of the situation, it is disappointing to see some sneaky little manoeuvres from within her own party.

That many other staff and colleagues have come out to speak in her defence is encouraging though.

Genderfreelass · 14/05/2019 08:35

Commenting that I would be surprised that Joanna would tweet anything illegal is hardly fawning! In fact all it appears she tweeted were the words "spit on" to a tweet that made a lot of sense.

The fact that she may possibly be contesting a seay with the leader of the Conservative party is likely the reason the bullying allegations have come to light (again?). Going by your name including "Fyvie" which is located in a Conservative area is that maybe why you are so adamant in not wanting to see Joanna on a good light?

I don't vote SNP but am extremely great full to both Joan McAlpine and Joanna for the work they are doing on women's rights. I am appalled by the Conservatives supporting gender BS. I expect the current labour party to promote the trans mantra but not the cons.

LetsSplashMummy · 14/05/2019 09:44

Is she in contest with Ruth Davidson? One is the MP at Westminster and the other the MSP at Holyrood - is there any reason to think one would switch over?

LassOfFyvie · 14/05/2019 14:04

The fact that she may possibly be contesting a seay with the leader of the Conservative party is likely the reason the bullying allegations have come to light (again?)

What seat is that? Ruth Davidson is an MSP . Cherry holds a Westminster seat. Unless you have insider knowledge of either or both parties, then, no, she is not in competition with Ruth. (But given there is already one poster on here making allegations that she knows something about one of the persons who complained, who knows)

The bullying allegations have come to light because one of the parties involved clearly thought it was hypocritical of Cherry to pontificate about the abuse directed at her whilst the investigation is ongoing.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 14/05/2019 14:11

JC is an intelligent middle aged female lesbian with opinions which she shares on public platforms.

That's why she's being harassed.

See also: witch.