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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fawcett Society Commission on Gender Stereotyping in Early Childhood

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Erythronium · 12/05/2019 17:51

Don't know if this has been posted before but it might be useful to feed back to:

www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/the-commission-on-gender-stereotypes-in-early-childhood-consultation

I told them to use the term sex not gender as girls are discriminated against on the basis of their sex, that government needs to make transing children illegal and to focus on the worldwide violence against girls that stereotyping is used to justify. I think they're thinking about pink and blue.

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MrsScamander · 12/05/2019 18:01

How on earth can you identify as disabled?! 🤔

Thanks for the link, I've filled it in but I doubt they'll find my response useful.

Erythronium · 12/05/2019 18:02

Yeah, that one got me too.

Trans disabled people do exist, so maybe they're thinking about them:

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MoleSmokes · 13/05/2019 08:34

The "Do you identify as disabled?" question sounds odd. Perhaps an ill-considered replacement of the usual wording for self-assessment. It is more usual to see something like, "Do you consider yourself to be disabled?" followed by a definition explaining the criteria.

ChattyLion · 13/05/2019 09:28

Fawcett are not actually feminist any more then.

ChattyLion · 13/05/2019 09:35

Hmm I do see that Fawcett are recruiting Trustees at the moment (closing date 3 June) so hopefully some women will apply who will know why sex and gender are important to distinguish from each other. Gin

I will do the Fawcett survey though, no point in not doing it... otherwise they have no reason to think they aren’t representing reality properly.

Candidpeel · 13/05/2019 12:27

I am worried that "anti-stereotyping" will be the next "period poverty", fluffy apparently pro-women campaign used to undermine the definition of sex and focus on gender identity.

Exhibit 1: Let Toys Be Toys having trouble standing up to the gender ideologues

Exhibit 2: Girl Guides new peer education programme on 'breaking free' of stereotypes www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/programme-and-activities/peer-education/what-is-peer-education/breaking-free/ (take the quiz..... it starts off with the difference between sex and gender...... and then never mentions sex again. You can see where this is going....)

Exhibit 3: The Fawcett Society Commission .... As we know the Fawcett Society was fairly rubbish www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/Handlers/Download.ashx?IDMF=ea2d4ce2-1fdf-489b-a439-357bbfd01d4d on the GRA consultation, and this consultation opens with weird vague questions about 'are you a man or a woman or prefer to self describe', and 'what is your sexual identity'? (WTAF? Just use the protected characteristics from the Equality Act!!)

The Commission includes Sarah Ditum and Justine, LTBTs (who knows where they stand now?), as well as someone from Stonewall and Government Equalities Office as well as probably a bunch of people who have not been paying close attention to the rise of gender ideology in all of this www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/gender-stereotypes-in-early-childhood-the-commission

I think we should keep a close eye on this!

Do take the consultation and raise the issue www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/GenderStereotypes1/ - it is about 10 minutes

EmpressLesbianInChair · 13/05/2019 12:39

Has everyone seen this? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/3556767-Guest-post-Gender-stereotypes-hold-us-all-back

To be fair Sam Smethers didn't ignore the tough questions. But she confirmed that in the view of the Fawcett Society, 'woman' is just something you can identify as, and she didn't have a clear explanation how that doesn't contradict everything else the Fawcett Society are saying about gender stereotypes.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 13/05/2019 13:05

Completed!

Erythronium · 13/05/2019 20:14

Bumping to let more feminists give their opinions on this - it doesn't take long, just about the same amount of time making a post on Mumsnet.

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2rebecca · 13/05/2019 21:09

Done

EmpressLesbianInChair · 13/05/2019 21:22

Done.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 13/05/2019 22:33

I did it despite being overcome by an overwhelming sense of depression midway through the first question.

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