Why has the LGBT Foundation forgotten what a lesbian is?

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I thought LGBT was meant to be about lesbians as well as the GBT? (The clue is in the name FFS!)

But it looks like the LGBT Foundation has forgotten lesbians exist.

They have three sex guides on anal sex, oral sex and one on vaginal sex.

The Vaginal Sex guide seems to assume PIV sex (penis in vagina) - there is no meaningful discussion of lesbian sex at all.

They offer this advice on sexual health:

If you’re having regular unprotected sex, we recommend a full sexual health screening as often as every 3 months. You can get a full screening at a sexual health (GUM) clinic.

This service usually tests for HIV, chlamydia, syphilis and gonorrhea. You’ll pee in to a pot and swab your anus and/ or vagina with a cotton bud, in a private space. Nurses will also draw bloods and take a swab from the back of your throat

Since when did (actual) lesbians have to have sexual health check ups every 3 months?! Or worry about protection? Unless I'm very out of date, this is for people having sex involving penises, surely?!

Trans/transgender is mentioned 6 times. Lesbian once (after they've made it clear this includes male "lesbians".) The word "women" is used only twice, in these contexts:

Woman, man, non-binary, cis gender, trans? Whether you’ve had any surgery or not, this guide is for you and your vagina

And in response to a question posed by a transwoman your partner(s) should always recognise how you identify your gender, whether you identify as a man, woman or as non-binary

The question, incidentally was the very first of four FAQs: “My partner still sees me as a man, what can I do?

What nonsense is this?!

What is the end game for people wanting to erase lesbian - and woman - as a meaningful category?

You really think lesbians can't catch STIs?

I'm assuming you are not one given your lack of knowledge, so curious why you are so interested?

I didn't say lesbians can't catch STIs, where did you get that from? My point is about relative risk.

My point is. PIV sex is much more risky than lesbian sex. And anal sex is more risky again.

The advice to get a check up every 3 months is for people in a higher risk profile than lesbians, surely?

No the advice is for anyone having regular unprotected sex, doesn't matter their orientation

Whose advice is that?

So a woman who has sex with another women, exclusively, is meant to have check ups as often as a man who's having anal sex all over the place?

Seriously? What nonsense is that? Who's giving out that advice?

Well you're making the assumption that gay men run about having anal sex with anyone willing and lesbians only have one on one committed relationships.
Theres no need for gay men to have anymore checks than women under your scenario of having sex exclusively with another man, provided you trust the person you are with.

I'm sure a lesbian having a lot of random sex is statistically safer than a gay man having random sex, but they both need to get checked pretty regularly.

But it's not just about an even chance of catching something. It is about the fact that if you do, you want to find out before you pass it on. Anyone who catches something in month one has two months of being a carrier before they are treated. A longer wait would extend that even more.

Well you're making the assumption that gay men run about having anal sex with anyone willing and lesbians only have one on one committed relationships

You're the one making assumptions.

I was comparing two different scenarios and asking a question about relative risk. I did not comment as to how likely each one was.

Although - if you ask me though, of course sexually active gay men have more sexual partners than lesbians (on average). That's not a stereotype, that's well established. What's Grindr all about?

But that's not to say that lesbians only have committed one-on-one relationships. Where are you getting this nonsense from? Oh, that's right, you're misreading my posts (deliberately, or because your reading comprehension and logical reasoning are poor? I just can't tell).

The logistics of different types of sex pose a bigger risk for some groups than others.

Everyone who isn't in a commited relationship and has multiple sexual partners should be having check ups regularly. Irrespective of what kind of sex they're having.

That said, the risk of passing STIs on is considerably lower for two women having sex, than two men or a man and a woman.

Because a penis is more likely to pass things on when it's ejaculating inside a person.

However, I think the erasure of what lesbians are and who they are is an issue.

The LGBTQ have not just forgotten about lesbians, they have thrown them under the trans bus. Apparently lesbian women should get over their genital hang-ups to have PIV sex with trans women who say they are lesbians, but still have a fully functional penis that they want to put in biologically female lebians’ vaginas. And lesbians can cope just fine with this.

So lesbians are supposed to accept that a penis owner is female, that the penis is a lady penis, that PIV sex is lesbian sex, and that they don’t deserve anything more than ‘just coping’ in terms of sexual enjoyment.

The penis owning ‘lesbians’ are even sharing tips on how to break through the cotton ceiling - aka lesbian women’s underwear.

Even I, as a heterosexual woman, can see how deeply homophobic this attitude from the trans activists is - so you’d assume that the LGBTQ campaigners would be up in arms to protect the rights of biologically female lesbians - but you would be wrong. As I say, they have thrown them under the bus.

This current thread is relevant:

Anyone for a spot of gender-neutral wanking?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3582761-Anyone-for-a-spot-of-gender-neutral-wanking

Queer theory rules ok.

Omg that “Vaginal” sex guide is awful! Are you sure it’s serious OP? It could be an elaborate spoof?

If serious - I have to assume no lesbians were consulted. It is all centred on penetration... with helpful advice on condoms and avoiding pregnancy, and nothing on giving head

Horrific.

Ok there was a separate guide on oral, so fair enough it wasn’t covered. I stand by my comment though: no lesbians were consulted in making the vagina sex guide.

I used to work in a branch of STI surveillance for govt lab.

Was a couple of decades back but certainly the risk went

Men who have sex with me= highest risk
Het sex, men to women transmission is higher than women to men
Women who exclusively had sex with women were like off the scale down at teh bottom, v v low risk

Makes sense > ejaculate / risk tears & etc

And yes OP I agree they have fogotten what lesbians are, and I doubt they care. Most LBG turns out was about men.

Seems a shame to veer off the topic & the rest of the content on one smallish part of OPs cut n paste

"Men who have sex with me= highest risk"

erm oops at type lol

men who have sex with men

what a typo jesus :D

Menu 😂

I think that's my favourite ever typo

I've read the guide about vaginal sex. Lesbian sex doesn't feature really does it?

Always it's the glossary. Has anyone looked at the vaginal sex glossary?

I am so angry reading that. 'if you are born with a vagina it can be unhealthy to douche' - NO - if you have a vagina you don't need to douche because a vagina is a self cleaning organ. If you have a surgically created neovagina it's a different ballgame. Just as having a colostomy bag is not the same as having a colon.

Gender dysphoria is also not 'other people perceiving your gender as different to how it really is'.

Ok I'm going to read a nice book about flowers or something.