Is this legal?

[Pinkpanther473]

Long time lurker
I went to a training course yesterday and the toilets were gender neutral (if right word)
It looked like the male and female signs had just been taken off.
It was two sets of two cubicles and a shared basin area. Cubicles were fairly high walls but with a gap at the top and bottom and the shared space was quite tiny.

I went in one and there was a man there who also looked disoriented and I jumped which was embarrassing. He left saying he was looking for a cleaning cupboard (random) and I used the toilet looking at one sign telling me to check my breasts for breast cancer signs and another sign next to me encouraging me to check my testicles with helpful pictures of hands holding walnuts.

Anyway I’m going to the course again today and I’m not keen on the toilets being unisex. I have some past experiences that might be making me feel more than usually nervous, also maybe I’m not used to this.

I thought that toilets could still be separate although you had to accept people to use it who identify as feminine or masculine?

Isn’t it still the law to have separate spaces to use the toilet?

Do you have seperate loos in your home? One for men, one for women?

Thought not.

To be politically correct ... Or any other gender.

Do you have a bathroom with several semi-open cubicals at home that people could look over the top or underneath Koomoo and is your bathroom open to anyone who wants to walk in off the street?

Weird.

Do you invite random strange men to use your toilet at home Koo?

Thought not.

Koomoo do you allow strangers in your house to use the toilet?!

I'd be uncomfortable too OP and it makes sense to use the one with the Breast cancer sign.

The equality act allows single sex facilities and stonewall are campaigning to change this and are telling organisations incorrect guidance.

KooMoo, your point is irrelevant, since OP doesn’t share her home with thousands of random strangers, any one of which could be a violent male sex attacker.
There are good reasons for single sex toilets - which is why the UN campaigns for them across the third world. We don’t want women’s rights to safety, privacy and dignity to go backwards in the west either.

Also, I don't have a lock on my bedroom door at home so by KooMoo's thinking all hotel rooms should be open entry too

There are good reasons for single sex toilets and I don't like unisex ones, but I don't believe it is illegal.

When I was a teenager I was sexually assaulted in a public toilet. So no I wouldn't like to use a gender neutral toilet, and I wouldn't let my teenage daughter use one.

Do have multiple toilets in your bathroom at home KooMoo? that strangers of both sexes use at the same time as you go?

KooMoo - I leave all my cash on the table at home, sometimes walk round naked and ovcasionaly if we’re feeling adventurous have sex in the kitchen - from your logic - I should be fine doing all those things at work- is that right

THOUGHT NOT

Oh, the do you have seperate toilets at home thing again?

You’d have thought people would’ve got tired of using that one by now on account of how blatantly stupid it is.

Stupid clings to stupid I guess.

Not trying to derail this thread, but the bathroom at home analogy is so irrelevant, whatever you think about single sex/mixed loos, as EL2019 & terryleather say. I could almost do a AIBU about it.

God, they really do think that's a devastating gotcha, don't they?

Fgs, you’re using a loo! Not having sex, walking around naked, leaving cash and valuables around.

It’s not difficult. Go in. Close door. Use loo. Come out. Wash hands. Done.

Have you not been on holiday abroad? Unisex loos are everywhere.

Precious lot.

If koomoo's reasoning is used a lot it's handy to know if there are people around the country who are happy to open their bathrooms to people who are unable to use public toilets due to safety concerns. That's assuming that koomoo's bathroom is the usual self contained room that locks from the inside with a door that has no gaps.

I bet there's piss everywhere and so it doesn't come as a big shock when using the public ones.

Hmm?

To answer the OP, and ignore the derailer...

OP, are you able to ask the course provider / reception etc where the single sex toilets are?

And of course make sure you feedback about the lack of toilets in the inevitable end of course survey...

Understanding the difference between private personal space and public space is not^^ "precious"

Having boundaries is healthy and afaic having them as a woman is now a political act since so many seem to want females to have no boundaries at all.

Yeah, I think we've covered all angles in response to KooMoo, and they clearly don't have a clue about the importance of single sex provision, so I'd suggest either posting some links to show the evidence for that or save your energy. Unless you're in the mood for combat with some GFery which I know can be cathartic. I'm off to do something more interesting, like cleaning the bins.

This isn’t about being happy to allow your own private loos at home to be used by strangers.

It isn’t the same at all.

This is about everyone whatever their gender being able to use a public\work toilet facility. Two different things although for the same end.

KooMoo - It’s you who started the false equivalence between what’s fine at home is fine at work - That’s how logic works -

lucasthecat the only comparison I made was would you expect seperate loos for men and women at home. I never said it was an open house for strangers to use.

In op post she said it was in a work setting. Therefore I consider co- users colleagues rather than strangers (although depends on how large the organisation is).

As you were. Wasn’t meant to derail

Same old mn contradiction. Meant to be a place to debate and share differing views but actually your contribution is only valid if it supports the op.

I’m out.