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Swedish national council of medical ethics recommends Swedish government investigates treatment of GD youth. Hormone treatment suspended.

32 replies

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 30/04/2019 12:35

Sanity at last?

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Melroses · 30/04/2019 12:38

www.smer.se/publications/smer-calls-for-the-government-to-review-gender-dysforia-in-childhood-and-adolescence/

Yes - there was a letter - TT were looking for a translation.

Needmoresleep · 30/04/2019 12:44

Exactly what they should be doing. Children should not be put at risk or experimented on.

Apollo440 · 30/04/2019 12:52

Given the forced sterilizations that the Swedes carried out until the mid 70s I am amazed that they could get involved in this morally dubious shit so easily again.

OldCrone · 30/04/2019 12:58

Someone on twitter has translated the Swedish letter.
twitter.com/LesleySemmens/status/1123190975566946305

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/04/2019 13:08

Wow and fantastic news.

#donoharm

nauticant · 30/04/2019 13:09

By coincidence, I read this thread as I hear on the news about the contaminated blood inquiry and "the worst mistreatment scandal in the history of the NHS".

It seems to take 30-40 years from the events themselves to proper awareness of the need to find out what happened.

Genderfreelass · 30/04/2019 14:05

Good news hopefully more countries will follow esp as watch and wait leads to so many desisting.

Thingybob · 30/04/2019 14:12

Wow well done Sweden

TobyandLottiesmum · 30/04/2019 14:48

Great news

Erythronium · 30/04/2019 14:53

Excellent news. Now the same thing has to happen in the UK.

Thingybob · 30/04/2019 15:02

Theres no way our current government would dare produce a simliar letter to the Swedish one so why is the prevailing mindset so different here in the UK?

Incidently a UK child is over twice as likely to be referred to a gender clinic compared to a child in Sweden. Surely that fact alone should be investigated as it would be if it were any other childhood disorder.

Erythronium · 30/04/2019 15:07

The documentary that has just been broadcast about the treatment of ROGD girls in scandinavia probably has something to do with it. If our government could be shamed the same way, that would help.

Thingybob · 30/04/2019 15:09

Yes I thought that but then we had Panorama and the excellent Stella OMally documentary. Maybe they didn't hit quite as hard.

Datun · 30/04/2019 15:10

I've watched the Swedish documentary that came out. Was it just before this announcement?

It's extraordinary to watch these Swedish doctors try and buck pass, then blame parents, then the patients - the kids - who they admit have psychological problems, for their own bloody treatment.

To not see anything, literally none of it, from even a possible sexist viewpoint.

All whilst simultaneously freely admitting there is no long-term evidence and they don't know what they're doing!

I hadn't quite realised how divorced, how utterly isolated from the problem that they are meant to be addressing, they are.

They're not talking about social contagion, they're not talking about the women suffering from societal misogyny.

One doctor whined well what are we supposed to do if a woman finds her breasts unbearable??

Why don't you ask her why she should find a random body part unbearable, you arse?!

FannyCann · 30/04/2019 15:24

Yes Nauticant I was thinking the same thing, listening to news reports about the contaminated blood scandal.

I guess 30 years or so pans out roughly along these lines;
10 years for the problem to become apparent
10 years for victims to start talking, finding each other, looking for lawyers and building a case etc
10 years for health authorities and government to do their best to slam a lid on it and lock it down.
So finally there is an enquiry, years after many of the victims have died.

It'll probably be about the same this time. Looking at poor Sametti (?) and Mika (?) on the documentary they are sad and angry about what has been done to them. But it'll be another ten years before the loss of fertility hits them as their friends and peers settle down and have children.
Our teens are quite a long way off finding how terrible the damage done to them is yet.

Datun · 30/04/2019 15:32

Our teens are quite a long way off finding how terrible the damage done to them is yet.

I thought that. Sammetti looking at old photos of herself and wondering, out loud, how she could ever have thought of herself as objectionable.

She is still at the stage of regretting what she looks like. And sounds like.

But it'll be another ten years before the loss of fertility hits them as their friends and peers settle down and have children.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 30/04/2019 15:42

But it'll be another ten years before the loss of fertility hits them as their friends and peers settle down and have children.

I was adamant that I would never want children until I was over 30. I was a wilful, determined teenager who would have given up my fertility in an instant if it seemed to stand in the way of something that seemed vitally important to me at the time.

The thought of all these girls and young women giving up their health and their fertility is really heart-rending.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 30/04/2019 16:27

The translated letter is really interesting.
"Similar developments seen in many high income counties"

ROGD spreading.

surterjets · 30/04/2019 16:52

It really is heartening to see this. Perhaps if politicians see that, and think of the contaminated blood inquiry in the news today, they maybe encouraged to do the same?

Not on their own of course, but with a forceful push?

SirVixofVixHall · 30/04/2019 17:16

Friend’s daughter is 16, has other mental health issues and may be on the autistic spectrum. She has only recently been saying that she is a boy, but has already been put on cross sex hormones. I feel very, very sad about it. She is not in the UK, and apparently the parents have no say.
So thank the Lord that Sweden is seeing sense.

AlwaysComingHome · 30/04/2019 17:19

I thought Sweden was Europe’s Canada, the European Capital of Woke.

RedHoodGirl · 30/04/2019 18:03

From reading the letter translation it looks like they’re just setting up 3 groups to investigate it - nothing about stopping current treatment? Or am I missing something?

CottonDuvet · 30/04/2019 18:24

Can someone link to the Swedish Documentary please?

ASwede · 30/04/2019 18:54

This is incorrect. The council encourages research but hormone treatments have not been suspended, instead, they want there to be research made on said hormone treatments while it continues to be given to young gender dysphoric people.