Poll: 62% say “Trans women" should not be allowed in women's sport

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New poll commissioned by Wings over Scotland:
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Q. The former tennis player Martina Navratilova recently expressed the view that "trans women" - biologically-male people who identify as female - should not be allowed to compete against women in women's sports such as tennis because their male physiology gives them an unfair advantage in sports where size/musculature/strength are factors. What is your opinion?

“Trans women” should NOT be allowed to compete against biological women in physical sports
Total 62%
Men 18-34 61%
Men 35-54 67%
Men 55+ 76%
Women 18-34 43%
Women 35-54 53%
Women 55+ 68%

“Trans women” SHOULD be allowed to compete against biological women in physical sports
Total 12%
Men 18-34 14%
Men 35-54 12%
Men 55+ 5%
Women 18-34 23%
Women 35-54 14%
Women 55+ 8%

Don't know
Total 26%
Men 18-34 24%
Men 35-54 21%
Men 55+ 19%
Women 18-34 34%
Women 35-54 32%
Women 55+ 24%

Panelbase, April 18-24, sample size 2,030.

It also asked whether people could change sex with similar results.

Funny that women 18-34 are the biggest demographic in favour of TW competing on gender, not sex, considering that they are the ones with the most to lose here. I am guessing they have been brainwashed so much by third wave ‘intersectional’ aka male driven feminism that they can’t recognise a situation that threatens their own rights anymore. ‘It never happens’ and therefore it never will happen...

Look at the young women being nice daft. Arrghhh.

The ‘nice’ young women have been brought up in a very different and some would argue ‘nicer’ world.

It's terrifying that similar numbers believe people can change sex.

The related CAS Semenya case will probably report tomorrow.

It may or may not be significant that Semenya has decided to move up to 5000m where the testosterone rule will not apply.

God that's so depressing - the young women stats I mean. Fuck me. That's socialisation "to be nice" right there in action isn't it.

Thought it would be more like 90% or so..

Men overwhelmingly supporting the FWR cause across all age groups. How ironic.

Yup can’t understand young women. Female socialisation but also trans has been presented as trendy and feminism as old hat.

I assume that the young women who think it's fine don't actually do sports

I assume that the young women who think it's fine don't actually do sports

That could partially explain the figures, that men are more likely to be involved in sports and therefore have a greater sense of fairness in relation to sport.

I’m gobsmacked that there are so many people in favour. It’s a minority, but still a significant minority. Young women are being particularly daft. Can only think that people do not know enough, and assume that lowered testosterone makes it equal.
Think it indicates a worrying lack of critical judgement though.

A lot of people are unaware that only a minority of trans women have full sex reassignment surgery so that might explain the generally large minority that support TW competing with women. Before being enlightened on here, I had no idea either that 80% of trans women retain their male genitalia. I had always assumed that ‘trans woman’ = ‘no penis’. Once I found out that TRAs actively promote the idea of ‘lady dick’ my whole perspective on trans women in female spaces changed. I would say most average people have never gone down the rabbit hole of TRA-Twitter and just assume that most trans women have had full surgery.

Might be worth mentioning that when survey results are posted, the don't knows are usually excluded.

When you run through the numbers on that, of those who expressed an opinion, 65% of women in the 18 to 34 age bracket are opppsed. And in total, of those who expressed an opinion, 83% are opposed.

If you do include the don't knows, it is interesting to note that even in the most supportive age bracket only 23% support males competing against females, with that number falling by almost half to just 12% when all respondents are considered.

IIRC, the last survey about self-id showed that only 18% supported it outright (don't knows included). Not that these two polls polls are directly comparable, but that would suggest to me that 1 in 3 supporters falls away, when respondents are asked to think of something more tangible than just some document showing legal sex.

Yup can’t understand young women. Female socialisation but also trans has been presented as trendy and feminism as old hat.

Not just that, they think trans is "feminism" and that feminism shouldn't be about women and girls.

The 18-34 female demographic will be particularly heavy with Uni students. As someone wise on here said yesterday, peak idealism combined with minimum life experience, plus a vigorous brainwashing campaign in schools.

Once that demographic start running up against the real world, their perspectives will change the way so many of us only really woke up to women's issues when they started to affect us. Work place, pregnancy, relationships and male violence and domestic abuse (specific m to f), childcare and child raising, relationship break down, women's health issues..... not so easy to be all about the men once you've had your eyes opened to those things that don't and won't affect TW.

Sadly that too will be the demographic that grow up in the next decade with part of their population being the thousands of TM transitioning now as school children, realising the impact of loss of fertility, body mutilation, the gynaecological issues coming from taking testosterone, the potential side effects such as chronic illness and brittle bones and that we may have a significant population of de transitioned women who are too ill to be able to earn a living, who are fighting through court cases for compensation and recognition that they were so massively betrayed by services that should have protected them. It will be other women and women's groups who will organise and pick up the pieces of this.

Funny that women 18-34 are the biggest demographic in favour of TW competing on gender, not sex, considering that they are the ones with the most to lose here. I am guessing they have been brainwashed so much by third wave ‘intersectional’ aka male driven feminism that they can’t recognise a situation that threatens their own rights anymore.

Exactly! These young women are going to have to find out the hard way.No wonder young women are said to be those that suffer most from mental health issues, these days.

I assume that the young women who think it's fine don't actually do sports

I'm assuming that to be seen as a feminist or as a lesbian is just not socially cool or acceptable anymore. Girls and young women over-riding their own feelings and instincts is now de rigueur.

What kind of poll was this - twitter? If so I’ll take the results with a huge pinch of selt.

Or “salt” even!

Toorah no it wasn't a Twitter poll.
It's not clear from their posted results on Twitter exactly what their methodology was but it seems to be a genuine survey based on a cross section of Scottish people.
If their respondents were mostly eg university students the result would be very different compared to the general population so it would actually be useful to know the demographic.

The only fair way is that biological women take part in sport where it is sex segregated

No need for any niceness or pandering