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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Raped twice when I was younger - just want to get my story out there

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cantsayitinreallife · 27/04/2019 14:33

I know this is probably very dark for Mumsnet and not sure if this is the right subforum, but I really want to write all this down as I don’t feel ready to talk to anyone in real life about this. Even if nobody replies, just writing this and knowing that other women might read it will hopefully help me a bit.

I have been raped twice in my life. The first time, I was nineteen. It was the summer between the first and second years of university and my friend and I had met up for drinks in a bar in South London. My friend (L) and I had not met since being back in London from university, where we had met, so I was excited to see her. A couple of hours later, sitting in a booth the bar, two men sat down beside us. They were in their mid to late thirties. I can’t remember what the one who sat next to L looked like at all, only the face of the one that sat next to me, although not distinctly. I remember thinking: he looks like Example, and to this day when I think of this man I think of Example, although with dyed red hair. The men bought us drinks. I can’t remember much else after that, only flashes - a vague memory of getting into a taxi, and then waking up in a treehouse in the garden of somebody’s huge and beautiful house in South West London, with the Example lookalike having sex with me. I had absolutely no memory of getting into the treehouse, had no clue where my friend was. I remember being freezing cold and not being able to stay awake, and I sort of fell in and out of sleep for a bit with this man still on top of me. My overwhelming feeling was not: what the fuck is he doing. It was: I haven’t shaved. I look like a cavewoman ‘down there’, what will he think? When I woke up again he was asleep next to me in this treehouse. I tried to climb down the ladder to find A but felt very fuggy and fell to ground. I had cuts and bruises all down my arms and a deep graze as though being pushed violently against the bark of a tree, although I had no distinct memory of that happening. I also had a distinct sense that he had had anal sex with me (I had not been aware of this ‘during’ as was too out of it, nor had I ever had anal sex before so didn’t know if it was definitely that, but I could just feel it.) There was a sort of outbuilding under the treehouse with a bed in it. L was lying in there with the other man. He was asleep, she was awake. We both held hand and left in a daze of disbelief, somehow found our way back to the train station and back to L’s house. Her mum answered the door and we told her we had stayed at a friend’s house. Too ashamed to say anything else, too dazed, too “hungover” to want to deal with any of it. My dress was on back to front and I was covered in bruises, but we went up to L’s bedroom and slept for most of the day. I realised what had happened was wrong but I didn’t want to use the word rape. It felt dramatic and I did not think I felt traumatised enough to use that word. I felt numb to it, because I considered myself to be the sort of person who this sort of thing happened to. So what if my drink was spiked? I’d probably have passed out anyway. I’m alive, no real harm done. I had spent my time at university so far drinking too much and having meaningless sexual encounters, and I thought, what’s one more man? This is just the sort of shit that happens when you drink too much and start talking to weird men in bars. Afterwards, we made ‘jokes’ about it: jokes about being like Tarzan and Jane, shagging people in trees. We laughed at our narrative of the night, in which we were wild girls, big drinkers. Better than shame, certainly better than feeling victimised. Never once did we use the word ‘rape.’ Only now do I feel deep compassion for my nineteen year old self and wonder at how I could have thought a man in his thirties having sex with an unconscious teenager was anything other than disgusting and wrong.

The second time I was raped was very different and I have never, ever told anybody about this. It filled me with the deepest shame and self-loathing because I blamed myself entirely for it: for a long time, I didn’t even acknowledge to myself that I was raped. You cheated, I thought. This time, the man was not a decade older than me, or a man I didn’t know. I was not drunk, unconscious, physically incapable of saying no. I only resisted by frowning, by looking down, saying ‘I can’t…’ in a pathetic, weak voice. My resistance felt in hindsight like an invitation (I thought, perhaps I had a coy look in my eyes? I didn’t bare my teeth like a rabid dog and shout FUCK OFF, after all.) It is only recently that I have thought: there is no way he could have taken that for consent. Seriously, no way. But for years, when I have thought about this day (rarely), I imagined the critical voices of an imagined jury: you went up to his bedroom. You’re not that naive, you must have known what he wanted. As if you have been raped ‘twice’ now- yeah right, you’re just a slut, stop making excuses. I was twenty this time. I had just got into a relationship with a really lovely man. It was the holidays, again, and I was back in London. The boy I met up with was twenty too, a friend from my teenage years who I hadn’t seen in about two years. I had never kissed him, there had never been a shred of teenage romance between us, so I didn’t think there was anything wrong or untoward with meeting this boy at his home. It was a hot day, and we were sitting in his garden, with his mum, and a couple who were lodging there, and it all felt very civilised. His mum was talking to me about university (she had gone to the same one as me), I was talking about having just met someone I really liked. The boy was talking about music. Sex was the last thing on my mind when he asked me to go upstairs to his bedroom as he wanted to smoke and didn’t want to do so in front of his mum. When we got up there, we sat down on his bed. But he didn’t smoke (of course). Instead, he pushed me down onto the bed. Not violently pushed - more like, firmly maneuvered, as if we both knew what was coming and he was just getting the ball rolling. What are you doing, I asked. I asked it politely, confusedly, perhaps with a vague ‘errr…’ sort of face. Don’t offend him was the main thing on my mind, which seems absolutely alien to me now. He didn’t answer, just said ‘shhh.’ And then I completely disassociated. I couldn’t even feel fear, just a complete sense of detachment. I stared at his ceiling and thought, I don’t want this. This is disgusting. Again, numbness. I had never had a smear test then but I have since and it was like that - you focus on a point on the ceiling to try consciously and zone out of it. He climbed off me after a few seconds and said ‘I’ve finished’. We went back downstairs and shortly after I left. On my way home I thought: never think of this again. Never mention it again. What sort of girl lets someone have sex with them with such feeble resistance, especially when they have a boyfriend? When I got home, my sister asked me how the boy was. Was he at uni, had he changed at all? No, no. He was fine. Change the subject. I thought: that never happened. It never happened. Later on that day, the boy text me to ask me if I had got home okay. No mention whatsoever of any of it, and instead of thinking ‘he’s pretending it was consensual, casual sex to try and make me question my own sanity’ I thought, ‘he can’t even have been aware that I didn’t to have sex, otherwise why would he text me like it was all fine?’ I blocked his number, block him from all forms of social media, block him and the whole day entirely from my mind.

For a very long time, I buried the memory, but when it did flash up, I thought - you have absolutely no right to use the word rape this time. The thing in the treehouse was rape. This was all you. You went voluntarily to his house. You went voluntarily up the stairs with him. Shame, shame, shame. I felt such shame and disgust at this memory that I have never (until very recently) allowed myself to properly process it, I was so desperate to scourge the memory of it from my mind. For so long, I thought: how is this anything other than your fault? You didn’t say stop, not forcefully anyway. You said ‘I can’t’ and maybe that is actually quite a ‘come hither’ thing to say? He couldn’t have really hurt you, his mum was downstairs in the garden. You only frowned, zoned out. What sort of person just ‘zones out’? Could I kill someone and later claim it wasn’t me, I had ‘zoned out’ and avoid all complicity? No. There is something about you that is seriously troubled - this would not have happened to anyone else.

I am now trying to have compassion for my younger selves, and actually for my current self. I have internalised so much bloody shame and guilt, the sense of being underneath it all nothing but a ‘slag’. That everything good I have done in my life since is all a ruse, because underneath it all is a girl who let stuff like that happen, who had no sense of personal boundaries or self respect. I feel in my darkest moments unworthy of the man I am with, who is kind and decent and knows nothing about all this. I am trying really hard to think, WHY do you feel guilty because the first time, you were literally OUT OF IT, physically pinned down, a literal teenager. The man was in his thirties, I can’t imagine any normal man I know now that I am closer to 30 myself doing this with a teenage girl no matter how drunk?? The second time, how can a boy have interpreted a girl saying ‘I can’t…’ but nevertheless getting on top of her as she lays there in silence holding her breath until he disgustingly announces ‘I’ve finished’ as possibly being consensual??

Anyone else out there?

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JaneR0chester · 27/04/2019 14:49

I'm so sorry that these attacks have happened. I agree that both situations were rape.

The thing is, we're brought up to be law-abiding and we don't live our lives with the expectation that people will harm us. So when that harm does happen, it's not uncommon to freeze and not react "properly" (if there is one proper way to react to being attacked).

Have you thought about seeking some professional help to talk things through? It may help to relieve your guilt - which you should not feel at all! And in the long term, maybe to share some of it with your current partner.

Flowers
KatvonHostileExtremist · 27/04/2019 14:52

One of my best and oldest friends was 21 when she was raped. She went to a nightclub, she was getting on really well with these two men. They invited her back to their hotel suite for more wine and she went. They raped her.
I'll never forget the way she hugged herself and rocked as she told me.

I wonder how many other young women they have done this to.

Hugs and Flowers to you op.

It's not your fault. It is your rapists who are to blame. Not you. I'm so sorry that this nightmare happened to you. I really hope you can talk eventually to someone in real life too. It might help.

X

truthisarevolutionaryact · 27/04/2019 14:53

OP.
That's awful but you are not to blame. You were vulnerable and each time a man took advantage of you. Well done for having the courage to write all this. Do you think you might find it useful to speak to someone in real life?

Dervel · 27/04/2019 14:57

You did nothing wrong, they did. You deserve your good, kind man. All the good things you have done aren’t a cover up they are a reflection that you are good!

You also have zero to feel ashamed of for enjoying a few drinks or a few rolls in the hay either!

howmanyleftfeet · 27/04/2019 15:08

OP, I'm very sorry you experienced this absolute violation. It is not your fault, of course it isn't. Have you considered talking to someone about it?

May I suggest to other posters however, that we don't jump in and share our own stories and instead stick to offering the OP support.

There are people out there who get off on women sharing stories of being raped, and although the OP is probably genuine, she has no posting history and we should be wary of anyone encouraging women to share rape stories (sorry OP, it's not aimed at you, it's a general principle).

Jaspermcsween · 27/04/2019 15:29

Thank you for sharing these dreadful experiences.
I hope it has helped you in some small way.
I am glad you are feeling compassion towards your younger vulnerable self ;think your experience is sadly quite common.
I can relate.
I hope things are changing for this generation of young women.
It took me a long time to sort out my boundaries and develop self respect. X

cantsayitinreallife · 27/04/2019 16:21

Thank you. Really means a lot just for people to acknowledge it.

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MeltedEggMum · 27/04/2019 16:57

I'm sorry this happened to you and you are definitely not to blame. If you wanted to share your story elsewhere, VictimFocus website accepts submissions. You deserve to be heard.

PumpkinLatteMyArse · 27/04/2019 17:07

had spent my time at university so far drinking too much and having meaningless sexual encounters, and I thought, what’s one more man

Im really sorry you went through this. The thing that strikes me about your stories is the way we see a woman as available to anyone if she had sex before. "It was just one more man" (particularly sad, is that you had internalized this bit of misogyny.)

I am glad you're finally able to see it for what it is rather than blame yourself.

Flowers
quixote9 · 28/04/2019 06:18

PumpkinLatte is exactly right. You can have as many meaningless sex events as you like. You own yourself.

And anyone who takes any kind of advantage of you is just bathtub scum.

It's some kind of hijab of the soul to tell women that it's up to them to be responsible for men's behavior. It isn't. Men aren't babies. They're perfectly capable of good behavior when it's their bosses or male friends involved. Laying all this garbage on women is to enable their crimes. If it wasn't, they'd be doing it to their friends too.

Good for you for trying to work through it. Digging back at horrible old memories is the worst.

Oncewasblueandyellow · 28/04/2019 14:33

Hi cantsayitinreallife

I'm so sorry this happened to you, and no it's not your fault. Those men took advantage of you. I don't really have any advice to offer but just that I've heard your story and you should try speak to someone professional.
Flowers

Lippysoutherner · 28/04/2019 15:41

I'm really sorry this happened to you, and I am glad that you are finding the courage to speak out about it. On the subject of shame, it was really helpful for me to read the work of Zoe Lodrick who writes about how our brain and bodies respond to trauma. How the systems designed to keep us safe kick in (in nanoseconds.) and
cause us to respond in ways that may seem out of character or bewildering. This wasnt your fault. How you responded, and how you looked after yourself, those mechanisms will have happened automatically. You're not the one to blame here, and you deserve support when you feel ready to have it. Thank you for sharing your story.

stumbledin · 29/04/2019 18:58

Hi cantsayitinreallife

I am so sorry this happened to you. And that twice men have taken advantage of you. This should never happen.

I dont know if writing about it has helped. But just wanted to add that if you did want to talk to someone you could contact Rape Crisis. Either the National Helpline or your local centre (if there is one).

Please see the contact details at rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/want-to-talk/

jinglet · 29/04/2019 21:13

I am so sorry you had to go through that. Twice. You are not to blame. The bit about you mustn't offend one of the rapists really resonated with me. I remember being abroad and a duckling bastard of a man rubbing against me. Every bit of me wanted to scream at the bastard to fuck off but the overwhelming feeling I had was that I mustn't make a scene and draw attention to myself. I hope you're in counselling and getting the help you need to deal with the rapes. Lots of hugs coming your way. ThanksThanks

SophoclesTheFox · 29/04/2019 22:03

I’m so sorry this happened to you Flowers

Not your fault, neither of them. Freezing is self preservation.

Wishing you peace and strength to overcome this and flourish as you deserve to in life.

JaneEyreAgain · 29/04/2019 22:34

I've read your account of those incidents and I am glad you posted them. You have started to realise that the second voice in your head is not true and that your inner self knows that these men were violent to you and that what they did was rape. I hope that it feels better to have written it down and to have your story read by other people. I also hope that someday soon you find the voice you need to tell someone you trust so that you can see the compassion and understanding in their face. Even if you don't, know that by speaking the truth, these events will release their hold on you and you can start to heal. These events in your life that were done to you were not your fault and though they have forever altered your path, they do not need to dominate your future. You have already started to cut the ties between you and these events and to leave them where they belong, in the past. Walk forward bravely, dear lady and know that we are all walking with you.

Gingerkittykat · 30/04/2019 03:48

I'm glad you felt able to tell your story, and wish you all the best in moving forward.

I am very glad you can view your younger self with compassion, and put the blame where it deserves to be i.e. with the men who raped you.

Flowers
NeurotrashWarrior · 30/04/2019 16:54

I read this last night and found it hard to know how to respond other than I'm so sorry this men were shits to you.

I had a confusing experience with a friend of a friend which I believe was attempted rape but I fully self blame.

I've recently found Jessica Eaton and I wonder if it would be of use to you? She's on face book.

victimfocus-resources.com/

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