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Transgender Blog

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Passtheknitting · 25/04/2019 08:06

I was sent this this morning by a transsexual friend and found it very interesting.

Thoughts?

lonelyts.wordpress.com/2019/04/25/ive-been-robbed/

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/04/2019 08:22

I think whats being said on that blog is something that other feminists have been saying on here for ages

People with dysphoria are getting thrown under the bus with the removal of ANY gatekeeping, I suppose there is an argument for making it more straightforward (if it isnt already)...but not removing it completely!

I pretty muchagree with everything in the blog.

What do you think?

TurboTeddy · 25/04/2019 08:30

I hadn't thought about the suicide stats for transexuals being used by anyone with a trans identity. It's a good point and highlights how manipulative the trans agenda is.

I feel for people with GD but wonder if transexuals had spoken out sooner would we be where we are now?

nettie434 · 25/04/2019 08:37

There is clearly a core of people who have received treatment for gender dysphoria who feel that trans activists do not speak for them.

The writer also mentions being told that, despite her gender reassignment surgery, she could not call herself trans because she did not believe trans women are women!

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 25/04/2019 08:53

I know I’m not a woman. I know I can’t change sex.

So why did transsexuals push for the GRA that allows males with a GRC access to women's spaces?

I'm not unsympathetic to what the writer is saying, but TS have not demonstrate any concern for the impact their presence had in female spaces.

TS as well as TG people have stopped women having the choice of female only spaces.

Genderfreelass · 25/04/2019 08:56

Really well written and to the point and I agree with all of it.

Passtheknitting · 25/04/2019 08:58

So why did transsexuals push for the GRA that allows males with a GRC access to women's spaces?

Whilst I agree with you to a large extent I do think there is a difference between a post op transsexual in a female space and Johnny Pervert. Im not saying it is still right but Im pretty sure the original intent was never what we are seeing now.

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LangCleg · 25/04/2019 08:59

I'm with ZuttZeVootEeeVro. I don't doubt the problems some TS face. But not particularly keen on any male struggles being centred on a feminist forum.

LangCleg · 25/04/2019 09:00

TS males were instrumental - and deliberately so - in getting us where we are now, umbrella included:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

tempytemp · 25/04/2019 09:02

The problem always goes back to "how can you tell the difference?".

Passtheknitting · 25/04/2019 09:03

The problem always goes back to "how can you tell the difference?".

Absolutely!

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 25/04/2019 09:14

There isn't a system in place that allows TS with surgery into women's spaces, while keeping any other male out.

Also, a TS with surgery isn't necessarily going to be indistinguishable from women. They may look, behave and sound male. Their presence may make women and girls be and feel unsafe.

TS can see a world of difference between themselves and TG people, but to be honest, I can't.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/04/2019 09:34

I feel for people with GD but wonder if transexuals had spoken out sooner would we be where we are now?

This..and what zut said

Ive every sympathy with the individual concerned....but its too late

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/04/2019 09:37

What zut said at 8:53

Nit that i think she is wrongly about anything else...just that specifically

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/04/2019 09:38

I'm not unsympathetic to what the writer is saying, but TS have not demonstrate any concern for the impact their presence had in female spaces.

This.

When you look at threads where this has been extensively discussed with TS MNetters, it is mostly about where the line for gate keeping should be and it is inevitably based on self interest - that some male born people, who have done 'enough' to transition, should have the right to use women only spaces. And those MNetters feel their wishes and needs to use those spaces are more important than women's needs for single sex spaces and the women who will be excluded by their presence.

As a very wise poster here has said before, it's merely about the position of the boot on women's necks. It's still males, agreeing among themselves, what a woman is, who can be one, and informing women of their decision. It absolutely represents a male belief of women being subordinate.

When this was a tiny number of people with gate keeping, yes, it didn't cause a visible problem. There still will have been women who have quietly left women only spaces and politely didn't show their exclusion. That door has now been forced wide. Women are having to fight for the right to be a separate recognised entity and to justify to the last decimal place any requests for dignity, privacy and safety - and I'm sorry, at this point I'm now entirely behind the needs of women, for women, by women. Males are going to have to sort out their own services and meet their own needs; we have enough problems. We can't do the caretaking for them too.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/04/2019 09:40

When this was a tiny number of people with gate keeping, yes, it didn't cause a visible problem

Was coming back to say something similar (not as well put as this Smile)

I think attitudes have hardened over the last few years because people have been forced into taking a particular stand

notatwork · 25/04/2019 09:48

The GRA was a mechanism for transsexuals to legally change sex so that they could be married. It was designed so that transsexual people could go on to lead lives fully as their new selves, to allow full integration.
This was before the civil partnership act and before marriage became legal for same sex couples. It was a small piece of legislation with important and positive consequences for a very small amount of people at the time.
It was never intended to provide 2 million self-identified people who wish to superficially present as a different gender to claim the rights of any other protected group (sex).

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