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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Political parties who support women's rights

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Motheroffeminists · 23/04/2019 08:06

Are there any??
I am politically homeless with local elections coming up. I previously voted labour until brexit and wokeness but don't know who to vote for now. I live in a Tory Seat that was previously long term Lib Dem. Many people vote strategically to try and oust the tories but I'm not sure I could vote for any of them and feel comfortable.

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irnbruforlife · 24/04/2019 05:55

I'm in Scotland and I think the SNP are deeply divided over this. They get my vote for Joan mcalpine alone. Also see scotmans headline today 😍

ChattyLion · 24/04/2019 08:00

Anyone know the views of the MPs involved in the new Change UK- Independent group?

They are putting up 70 European election candidates. (Brexit party are putting up only 6.)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48021730

SlipperyLizard · 24/04/2019 08:06

I wrote to Change UK to ask their stance on this. I got no response, unfortunately.

I might vote for them in the Euro elections though, to save me from choosing from the others.

Motheroffeminists · 24/04/2019 08:19

@SlipperyLizard why yes he does!

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Motheroffeminists · 24/04/2019 08:24

He had some of my posts deleted on Facebook because I asked him uncomfortable questions.
Our actual MP lives with mummy and has an appalling voting record and doesn't respond to constituents. Although he wrote back to me saying not to worry about the GFA and the WA covered it then the twat voted against it!

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SlipperyLizard · 24/04/2019 09:06

Definitely the same place then. Odious toad once stole my husband’s pint (possibly inadvertently, but not minded to give him the benefit of the doubt).

I’ve been waiting for someone from Lib Dems or Labour to knock on my door so I can talk to them about it - but they never seem to “do” my road.

I didn’t think that writing to our MP about this would have any effect, given my letters about schools got the usual cut & paste (eventually). Although I should write anyway, as otherwise he’ll assume there is no issue.

SushiGo · 24/04/2019 09:16

If you want to make a statement spoiling your ballot is the most pointless waste of time.

If you actually are really unhappy, no one represents you... Stand yourself ffs!

If you won't do that vote for the best fit. That's what 99% of people do. If you can't get the answer you want on selfid why not not ask about other feminist issues? Funding for refuges? Representation of women and minorities? Anything?

Motheroffeminists · 24/04/2019 09:24

I must be special as my letter was very personal Grin Labour have knocked on my door and we had a good chat about things. She knows my viewpoint and agrees with me. I think she'd be excellent but labour makes me twitch thanks to useless Corbyn and the wokeness.
If the Lib Dems or tories knock on they'll get both barrels. Last year I chased after the leaflet deliverer and said no thanks I wouldn't vote for the lib dems if you paid me Grin

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TheInebriati · 24/04/2019 12:07

If you actually are really unhappy, no one represents you... Stand yourself ffs!

No one on benefits such as ESA can risk getting involved in politics, they would have their benefits stopped.
Lone parents have trouble with the time commitment, expense, and things like childcare costs.

So although thats a nice sentiment, many people are excluded from getting involved in politics.

SushiGo · 24/04/2019 12:36

No one on benefits such as ESA can risk getting involved in politics, they would have their benefits stopped.

This is completely untrue, esa allows claimants to work a certain number of hours a week paid or unpaid. In fact, it's very common in my experience for councillors to have themselves or care for someone with a disability.

Lone parents have trouble with the time commitment, expense, and things like childcare costs.

That's true, but a lot of council meetings are either in the day when children may be at school/nursery or in the evenings. It's also worth asking your local council whether they have thought about this and whether any accommodations could be made.

Also neither of these things apply to people who aren't disabled or single parents - which is most of the population.

Honestly, apply, apply, apply.

It's the most frustrating thing to see people slag councils off and suggest ridiculous ways to 'show them' like spoiling ballots or vote for ridiculous candidates when the thing that actually makes a difference is being in the council meetings talking tk councillors.

Most people are able to do this if they really want to.

ICantBelieveIDidThis · 24/04/2019 12:37

If you actually are really unhappy, no one represents you... Stand yourself ffs!

Love to.

However, this is a safe Labour seat, with voters who would vote for the proverbial donkey if it wore a red rosette.

Councillors and MPs alike have ingratiated themselves with extremely influential religious groups who vote en bloc for any Labour candidate.

An atheist like me has no change of being nominated, let alone voted for.

AverageAvenger · 24/04/2019 12:54

Anyone in Leeds who lives in the Garforth and Swillington ward can vote for the Garforth and Swillington Independents. They are a registered political party. Possibly only party supporting abolition of prostitution and calling for Nordic Model and the only ones standing up for women against the onslaught of trans activism in Leeds. Very active behind scenes with FOI requests etc and holding women’s meetings. They are sponsoring and chairing a declaration of sex based rights next month. Three councillors on LCC.

One of them is a single parent.

EverardDigby · 24/04/2019 13:30

In the absence of being able to choose a GC candidate in a GC party, I'd vote for a GC candidate in a party that I otherwise agreed with - we need GC people in positions of authority to be able to challenge those parties in the first place from the inside.

BuzzPeakWankBobbly · 24/04/2019 16:09

I recently started a thread asking for help on wording a neutral question to send to my local councillor-elects about this.

I managed to cobble something reasonable together and sent it under a completely neutral alias name. These are the replies:

Conservative (middle aged man)
Started out by saying everyone has a right to be themselves, BUT there are predators so we can't make rules that allow them in - all pretty fair-minded. Then shot himself right in the foot by saying he agrees that TWAW. So close, so, so close...

Lib Dem (young woman)
(Quelle surprise. Spouted a load of seemingly pre-scripted waffle about poor old TW at risk in mens toilets, everyone needs to be more tolerant. Then really got my hackles up with a comment about recent shit stirring press and antagonistic groups. Has not yet responded with examples of what she means.

Labour (middle aged man)
Has so far refused to even answer the question of whether he believes TWAW without meeting me in person. Came across like a slimeball who will say whatever it takes to get my vote.

So I actually have nobody to vote for. My tactical option "for local good" is the only reason I have to vote for one of them, but I am struggling to see how I can endorse them based on their response here.

ADropofReality · 24/04/2019 16:52

If the BNP was still a thing, they would probably be making out they were against the trans agenda. Would that be good reason to vote for them, given everything else they stand for? No? No. Of course not.

Right, then. By the same token it's not good enough reason to vote for the evil ideology of communism, nor is it good enough to vote for individual members of a Labour Party led by anti-semites, apologists and cheerleaders for terrorism, and people who hate Britain. And no, they don't get away with it by saying they don't like Corbyn. That evil bastard has led that party for four years and that's ample time to resign from the party he leads if you're genuinely opposed to his vile views.

sorenipples · 24/04/2019 21:17

I've noticed a lot of change uk MEP candidates are getting called out for "transphobia " on twitter.

Obviously check what they are saying isn't really transphobic but appears to be things like suggesting men could abuse self id and all women shortlists should be for women not anyone who says they are .

sorenipples · 24/04/2019 21:37

Just realised it's only one MEP candidate being complained about a lot. I presume change uk want to be single issue in the European elections so will avoid making a statement one way or the other.

FemaleAndLearning · 24/04/2019 21:49

I'm interested in what we should ask candidates.

  1. What are their views on Self ID
  2. Do they believe the slogan transwomen are women
  3. Do they believe female sex segregated spaces should be male free.

Anything else and better wording, please comment.
Locally we have a new swimming complex being built without female only changing space. Should I ask if they can support changing this?

TheInebriati · 24/04/2019 21:58

SushiGo
Yes many people can be councillors; I was trying to talk about the people that can't. The lone parents who have to work long shifts or 2 jobs.

The people who utterly depend on means tested benefits who are grilled about their hobbies and interests - doing a lot of gardening? Have an allotment? You must be fit for work.

Councilors should listen to the people who are disenfranchised, but they don't. So here we are, I don't have anyone to vote for.
Neither does anyone on this thread, because its 2019 and we are having to fight for the definition of 'man;' and 'woman'.

AverageAvenger · 24/04/2019 23:20

A councillor is actually a really great job for a single parent. You can more or less work your own hours, around childcare and school runs. And take kids with you to lots of events. Plus there’s a basic salary which is recorded at 37 hrs per week, so you can claim tax credits too.

The main downside is it’s not secure as the electorate can vote you out.

theOtherPamAyres · 25/04/2019 09:11

I'm interested in what we should ask candidates.

Do you welcome the idea of mixed sex toilet and changing facilities in the council's leisure centres, swimming pools and other buildings?

What improvements are needed to ensure that women are consulted about council policies that affect them?

TheInebriati · 25/04/2019 10:02

AverageAvenger
Single parents who rely on State benefits need secure long term jobs.
Its easier to do anything if you have some cash behind you to start with.
But the women I am trying to talk about don't have any financial safety net.

Can women please stop it with the comments about how women just need to step up, while ignoring the dire situation for women at the bottom of the ladder.

SushiGo · 25/04/2019 18:40

Can you stop dismissing the idea that the right thing to do is step up just because it's particularly hard for some women?

It's a ridiculously negative attitude - and frankly, if we want a a group to make it better for those women at the bottom of the ladder to succeed we need women who are able to do it and who empathise with those who can't to make that step.

Banging on about how impossible it is puts people who would be great candidates and who could manage a Councillor role off.

One of the major barriers to applying is people thinking its not for them, when actually they would be great and it is possible for them to fit in, in the hours that they personally have available.

theOtherPamAyres · 25/04/2019 18:54

A Change-Uk, the Independent Group, have a prospective MEP candidate called Liz Sewell, standing in the South West.

Trans activists have dug around in her Twitter account and found some gender critical comments. Helen Belcher "quote tweeted" the 'offending' sentence (ie didn't reply to the originator, but directed followers to the account and the tweet in question).

TRAs are starting to pile in and give her some grief - telling her that she ought to have stood for UKIP with such transphobic views etc.

I'm not sure how resilient she is - she isn't a politician but has come straight from a job.

twitter.com/BelinaLiz/status/1091724435055394822

It's hard enough for the likes of Joan McAlpine to withstand the onslaught, but even more difficult as a fledgling politician.

RepealTheGRA · 25/04/2019 20:06

I’d vote for Liz. I’ll even vote for change UK if they back her up!

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