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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Good article I think: Transgender Privilege: Why Must We All Be Forced to Bow to It?

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AnotherLass · 23/04/2019 01:32

I thought that this was a very good article with information about the US that I didn't know

pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/transgender-privilege-why-must-we-all-be-forced-to-bow-to-it/

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OtepotiLilliane42 · 23/04/2019 06:11

I think this a very good article too AnotherLass, thank you for posting it. Especially relevant to the rights of women to have - well, rights, are the points made below:

Also illegal in New York City is “2. Refusing To Allow People To Utilize Single-Gender Facilities and Programs Most Closely Aligned with Their Gender.”

Here we move from required speech to other required behavior. Once again, claims of gender must be honored, disregarding anyone else’s claims. At this point, we must address the relationship between biological sex and gender identity. The reality is that there is no such thing as transsexual change. Male genetic, structural, physiological, and muscular characteristics cannot be changed to female however many hormone treatments or however much plastic surgery is undertaken. Males can take on some superficial characteristics of females, but can never become biologically female. Some trans females have functioning penises and testicles, which is certainly not sexually female. Nor can biological females ever become males, although they can take on a greater appearance of being male, or at least being less female. So, when we introduce trans females into female spaces, we are in fact introducing biological males into those spaces. There are many women less than delighted at this prospect: “Under the pretext of inclusion, all these changes are removing from women the right to privacy, dignity and safety by allowing any man to enter women-only spaces such as toilets, showers, sports clubs, and women’ rape refuges: thus erasing women and their rights.”

All people have a right to try to live the way they want; that is how John Stuart Mill defined freedom. But Mill’s proviso was that your liberty could not negate others' liberty. Shoving your way of life down other people’s throat is a violation of their liberty. The special privileges granted to gender identity do undermine the liberty of others. Exactly.

Illyria47 · 23/04/2019 07:56

Yes I read the article and thought right on but Democrats to a man and woman are woke. I would be asking some very tough questions of the 2020 Democratic candidates on their views on women's rights versus transgender rights because that is how it is playing out.
It needn't be that way of course. I really don't care if men wish to live like women or vice versa, transgender people are at liberty to get on with their lives which I am sure many are doing right now. I refuse however to buy into the TWAW or TMAM fiction, I refuse to shut up about the erosion of women's rights which is happening now under most peoples unaware noses. Thank you for posting this article AnotherLass.

Lamaha · 23/04/2019 08:47

I think it's going to take a huge scandal, something so blatantly preposterously anti-woman, or a fabulously famous celeb like George Clooney (I know, not going to happen) speaking up, to make the wokest people sit up and start rubbing their eyes.

Passtheknitting · 23/04/2019 15:25

The reality is that there is no such thing as transsexual change. Male genetic, structural, physiological, and muscular characteristics cannot be changed to female however many hormone treatments or however much plastic surgery is undertaken. Males can take on some superficial characteristics of females, but can never become biologically female.

I don't disagree but I think this statement does a great disservice to the few genuine transsexual people. Transsexual people arent trying to pass themselves off as biologically female - they are dealing with a medical condition (Gender Dysphoria). I accept that GD is thrown around all over the place to justify everything but that doesn't mean it isnt a genuine issue that severely affects peoples lives.

OtepotiLilliane42 · 24/04/2019 00:23

Passtheknitting the condition of gender dysphoria is complex I agree, and I have read autobiographies of people like Caroline Paige to try and understand the kind of distress that would impel a person to change their bodies so drastically in order to gain psychological peace.

But we wouldn't have to keep insisting that a person cannot change sex if some transactivists hadn't made that assertion the basis of their campaign to erode women's rights, and then threatened (and committed) violence against all those who disagreed.

As many transsexual women have observed, they are being caught in the crossfire of a battle that is not of their making and that is really sad.

Illyria47 · 24/04/2019 04:26

Well said Otepoti.

FannyCann · 24/04/2019 07:57

Brilliant article, thank you for posting.

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