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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Access to a toilet is a feminist issue.

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KennDodd · 22/04/2019 20:13

And I'm fucking sick of it!

Why even in new provision women are under catered for and having to join the end of long queues while men can walk in with no wait at all? Example, the old toilets were demolished at a seaside town near me, they are now all individual cubicles (great) one side, about six cubicles, Men, the other side, about six cubicles, Unisex, three accessible at the end. WTF? Unisex side, huge line of women and children waiting, other side mostly empty with one or two in use at any one time. Women cant even just use the mens because they're all urinals. These were built in 2018.

Has nobody designing toilets ever noticed the queue for the womens? Equal provision is not equal access. It takes women longer because of our anatomy, we are more likely to have children with us, we more likely to have bladder problems following childbirth (?) and so less able to wait and need to go more often, we have periods meaning we may need to go more often.

Why are we not properly served and what can I do about it?

This is in the UK as well, in great swathes of the world women even have to risk their lives going to the loo.

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Victoriapestis01 · 22/04/2019 20:21

Sorry, are you saying in this brave new toilet world in your town there are only men’s and unisex? No specifically women’s toilets at all? But there are for men?

Victoriapestis01 · 22/04/2019 20:31

If that is the case, then I’d write complaining of (a) direct discrimination in the provision of services (in that toilets provided specifically for men, but not women); (b) breach of the public sector equality duty under equality act 2010; and (c) if you’re in Wales, failure to have regard to women in preparing and implementing toilet strategy. I’d also refer to unreasonableness and irrationality in the exercise of the power to provide toilets.

LassOfFyvie · 22/04/2019 20:31

hey are now all individual cubicles (great) one side, about six cubicles, Men, the other side, about six cubicles, Unisex, three accessible at the end

Sorry but this isn't clear to me.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 22/04/2019 21:02

We were at an event the other day with portaloos with picture labels for the 2 sexes.

Predictably, the queues for one variety for one were long and the other non-existent.

The loo roll had also run out in the women's.

DD used the men's and reported back that there was plenty of toilet paper. Quelle surprise.

Toilet paper. Another thing that is way more important to one sex than the other.

MsTiggywinkletoyou · 22/04/2019 21:11

One term used for this (a US one mostly) is "potty parity". Apparent equality e.g. of floorspace in male and female loos does not mean equality in any useful sense such as queuing time. Some useful references to international standards in the Wikipedia article.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potty_parity

KennDodd · 22/04/2019 21:29

About six self contained secure toilet cubicles, each with sink, back to back, doors opening straight onto the street. Three accessible toilets at the far end so that three sides of the building have doors to the street. And yes, one side men urinals, so unusable to women, the rest unisex. I would have no problem, infact it would have been the most common sense solution imo if they'd all been unisex with an actual toilet in each cubicle as each room is safe and self contained.

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KennDodd · 22/04/2019 21:36

MsTiggywinkletoyou

Thank you for the link.

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TheInebriati · 22/04/2019 22:07

Self contained cubicles are perfect for people with a wheelchair or buggy; but its ridiculous making them the standard as they take up a lot more floor space.

meditrina · 22/04/2019 22:17

"In great swathes of the world women even have to risk their lives going to the loo"

And that is why I support charities such as Wateraid (or toilet twinning).

That there are still places in the world without adequate clean water or basic sanitation is a crying disgrace.

And very much a feminist issue.

As it is the girls who miss out on education to fetch water. And risk their health and even lives for basic sanitation. And who have more babies than they necessarily want or can safely have, just so that some are not killed by dirty water.

Lack of access to sanitation isn't just a risk of death - it's a fact of death, and it hits women harder.

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