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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Communist deconstruction of gender ideology debate

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HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 21/04/2019 17:21

Worker's Weekly sets out communist/egalitarian response to prevailing mainstream gender ideology:

weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1247/decoupled-from-reality/

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Purposeless · 21/04/2019 17:30

Being marxists - real ones, not the silly wokey ones - they understand class analysis and the importance of material reality.

Apollo440 · 21/04/2019 17:30

Please post this link every time TRAs misrepresent the opposition to Trans dogma as 'backed by right wing fundamentalists'. Pretty impressed that they have opposite ends of the political spectrum agreeing on something.

BlackForestCake · 21/04/2019 17:32

Previous thread on this was deleted. Please refrain from describing nonsense as nonsense in future.

FeministCat · 21/04/2019 17:33

Did MNHQ take down the other thread on this article? Anyway, as I said there, thanks for posting this article. It is very well written and the arguments are on point.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/04/2019 17:33

That's a really good piece - sets it out very clearly.

AllTheChickensIHaveLoved · 21/04/2019 17:38

I don't think we are allowed to describe trans rights activism as cult like.

I leave it to the individual to look up the word cult and decided for themselves

HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 21/04/2019 17:42

Yes the previous thread was deleted as it had an unacceptable word in the header that couldn't be edited so the whole thing had to go. Hmm Reposted because I thought it was an excellent article and didn't want it to be lost.

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HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 21/04/2019 17:48

And yes obviously Worker's Weekly are all gun toting Trump supporting rednecks. The clue is in the name.

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Outofexcuses · 21/04/2019 18:08

Really cogent, coherent, comprehensive. I like this Amanda MacLean - hope she gets to write more, for a wider readership.

JellySlice · 21/04/2019 18:10

An excellent, clear analysis, and virtually apolitical, too.

Igmum · 21/04/2019 18:24

Excellent article thanks for posting OP

hipsterfun · 21/04/2019 18:28

War is peace.

Nonsense is sense.

PaddyMcGintysGoatee · 21/04/2019 18:34

What a great article. Thank you for posting it.

My favourite bit: “and it is at this point that we need to start questioning the validity of applying postmodernist analytical techniques to scientific categorisations.“

Too right, comrade.

BickerinBrattle · 21/04/2019 19:13

No surprise. It was Marx who wrested German leftism away from the idealism that now plagues the so-called left and who insisted political philosophy be grounded in material reality. And it was Engels who described male dominance over women as the first and oldest class oppression.

Postmodernism arose in reaction to Marxism; it is a reactionary politics that privileges subjectivity over material reality, individual over class, and completely dovetails with neoliberal consumerismin in which there is no society, as Thatcher stated, but instead only a marketplace in which we must sell ourselves for sustenance and buy ever more goods (styles, brands, etc.) to position ourselves as commodities within that marketplace.

With this dovetailing, genderism and its myriad identities is essentially corporate branding at the individual level.

That it also serves to push women out of the public sphere at a time when economists are predicting 40-50% unemployment rates within 1-2 generations is icing on the cake. We all know that when the pie gets smaller, women are forced, by men, to rely on the crumbs from male tables. History’s chock full of examples of that. The right, currently, expects that women will retreat to marriage and the kitchen. The left, currently, argues that the solution to the increasing feminization of poverty is via brothels.

Women’s community, women’s spaces, women’s solidarity with each other are going to become ever more vital.

Herland · 21/04/2019 19:14

Fantastic article. I love that transgender is distinguished from genderists. Our issue is not with transgender people but genderist ideology.

I did have a chuckle at this -

it is no more reasonable to argue that they are male, on the basis of excess body hair and high levels of testosterone, than it would be to claim that Ronnie Corbett was female because of his short height.

Herland · 21/04/2019 19:17

Your forecasts are scary but realistic @Bickerin.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 21/04/2019 19:29

That’s an excellent and cogent analysis of the political landscape Bickerin.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 21/04/2019 19:52

It's a fantastic analysis. Strange bedfellows these days but BickerinBrattle explains it very well.

SisterWendyBuckett · 21/04/2019 20:53

Excellent and clearly set out analysis, grounded in reality and very readable.

Natsku · 21/04/2019 21:23

Excellent article

LangCleg · 21/04/2019 22:26

The right, currently, expects that women will retreat to marriage and the kitchen. The left, currently, argues that the solution to the increasing feminization of poverty is via brothels.

Indeed. The future isn't female: future poverty is female.

terfsandwich · 21/04/2019 23:58

I think we need to amplify more on this site that the idea of a sex spectrum places fertile woman as the most womanly, and infertile as along a continuum towards male.
Very handmaid's tale.

Says it all, really, about the illogical fallacies of a campaign hiding that it's actually a men's sexual rights movement.

hipsterfun · 22/04/2019 00:32

Indeed. The future isn't female: future poverty is female.

I’m surprised to read that from you, Lang. I don’t think the future looks too great for non-elite men either. Could you explain a little more why you say that? (I hope that comes across as inquisitive rather than arsey Grin)

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