Trans anomalies - where is the celebration of the "male" breast?

[Erythronium]

This has been bugging me for some time, apologies if I'm repeating a point that's been made before.

We've all heard of the female penis, girl dick etc etc.. Men who claim to be women seem to be quite attached to that part of their anatomy. They like to talk about it, they like to use it, they like to write articles about it. Googling "trans woman female penis" brings up all sorts of interesting results about how to have sex with the female penis and and Indya Moore from Pose saying trans women's penises are 'biologically female' twitter.com/pinknews/status/1098005566268547072?lang=en

In contrast, female body parts don't appear to become "male" when a woman decides she's a man. Googling "trans man male breast" brings up a lot of articles about transmen and breast cancer but no sex articles, no exhortation that transmen's breasts are biologically male. No transmen's "male" vaginas, clitorises, ovaries or uteruses either. "Trans man uterus male" actually brings up articles about womb transplants for transwomen.

Not embracing their "male" breasts leads transmen down the deeply damaging path of binding and double mastectomies. If being trans need have nothing to do with physical dysphoria (as trans ideology now insists), and "male" and "female" have nothing to do with physical characteristics, why aren't transmen being encouraged, as transwomen are, to keep their original bodies intact and not mutilate them with surgery? Physical dysphoria should be treated separately from gender dysphoria, with people being helped to accept their bodies as they are.

The same would also apply to children, they don't need to go down the route of puberty blockers or hormones, because it's perfectly possible to become the opposite gender whilst keeping the body you were born with. Children then keep their fertility and don't miss out on experiencing puberty alongside their peers as well as avoiding all the dangers of puberty blockers.

Of course I know the answer to this - it's women and children who end up with the life-changing surgery, puberty blockers or hormones, whilst middle aged MTFs keep their privilege and their penises because trans reflects the world around us, where women and children have to suffer in order for men to get what they want.

There are obviously many other anomalies and contradictions too, but this is the one I find most striking.

because trans reflects the world around us, where women and children have to suffer in order for men to get what they want

this. I really don't know how some people look at themselves in the mirror.

There is some pressure on gay men to be open to trans men, but nothing like what is happening to lesbians. Also gay men have more economic and social power than lesbians and can push back without getting rape and death threats.

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Sorry Ery , read your OP rather quickly earlier and somewhat missed the main point

I agree that breast removal seems to happen much more readily (and be more expected) than penis removal.

I know some detransitioned woman later regret their double mastectomies. But some people seem to regard such surgery as “life saving” as otherwise they would have committed suicide?

Like all the women in my family, I’ve been “blessed” with DD sizing myself. I really hated and was uncomfortable with them, and was hell bent on having a reduction in my 20s.

I’m incredibly glad and grateful now that I was talked out of it, as being able to breast feed meant a lot to me. So it’s hard for me to be truly objective.

I think discomfort with their breasts might be behind a lot of girl's attempts to transition.

Are there many heterosexual FTMs who would want to sleep with gay men anyway? It must be a tiny number

The only trans person I know is a heterosexual FTM. He is attracted to men, whether they are gay or straight. He was well into his 20s when he transitioned.

The suicide claim is another anomaly 2B. If it's the case that being trans and being untreated or unaffirmed makes a person suicidal then surely there would have been hundreds/thousands of suicides in the years before being trans was accepted and promoted. Lots of children who are now coming out as trans would, in the past, have tried to kill themselves or actually killed themselves instead because they had nowhere to turn. The problem for that theory is that the numbers just aren't there, thank goodness. So what is the real story - that trans is a fashion? Autogynephilia or internalised homophobia for men; self harm or internalised lesbophobia for women and a form of child abuse for children. There are certainly patterns at work that makes it look like that's the case.

Also having direct experience of having hated your breasts and thinking of having them operated on, probably means you have a more important contribution to make to this discussion than mere objectivity.

Are there many heterosexual FTMs who would want to sleep with gay men anyway? It must be a tiny number

There's a significant number of younger females identifying as 'gay boys', especially in some online spaces.

Also, last year a gay sauna (single sex space) was challenged for asking a female trans person to leave:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410716-Transman-kicked-out-of-gay-sauna

Last year I too challenged a gay sauna (single sex space) by enquiring wether they'd welcome pre op transmen in and received a categorical no. Not surprisingly, gay men aren't interested in female bodies.

I was Man Fridaying at the time, not transitioning

OP and other posters, you expressed this very eloquently. Thank you. The asymmetry of power and the expectation of suffering (before validation will be given) between males/females and adults/children is absolutely abusive and shocking.

Ery you raise very good points. I think in previous years, “trans” people must have simply lived as gender non-conforming people - often gay or lesbian. No hormones, no surgery.

And thanks - I hadn’t thought if it that way (re breast surgery) but sometimes personal experience can be more valuable than objectivity.