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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Two good articles: Iain McWhirter and Kim Thomas

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/04/2019 07:58

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-author-john-boyne-was-wrong-to-pander-to-trans-activists

This is no longer just a dispute between feminists and trans activists about a conflict of rights. It is a full-scale assault on free speech. There seems to be no middle way – trans activists will continue with their abuse until all dissent has been silenced.

iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2019/04/18/reforming-the-gender-recognition-act-must-not-abolish-the-biological-meaning-of-sex/

And I’m afraid that it is absurd. If we are to change the very definition of sex, such that there is to be no physiological distinction between the sexes, then we are changing the nature of what it is to be human. That’s why I now realise that this is not a “women’s issue” as many patronisingly believe, but one that challenges us all. We must not allow well-intentioned legislators to make changes which could have profound consequences, at least not without a free and open debate.

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TurboTeddy · 19/04/2019 21:28

Both good articles. The comments on the Spectator always leave me feeling a little depressed but then I'm use to the thoughtful, intelligent contributions of MNetters 😀

For transwomen to have equal rights it is not necessary for women to be denied theirs. Don’t tell women what makes a woman, they were, after all, born that way.

This, so much this.

AlwaysComingHome · 19/04/2019 21:36

I’m not a subscriber to The Spectator so, while I get a couple of free articles per week, I’m spared the BTL comments.

I’m guessing there’s a lot of ‘Hur-hur, feminism - the boot’s on the other foot now!’

AnyOldPrion · 19/04/2019 21:49

Both great.

One tiny quibble with Iain’s otherwise brilliant argument:

”I suspect people reading this column would also agree that there is an essential difference between a genetically-endowed woman and a man who thinks and behaves, or in the jargon “self-identifies”, as a woman.”

Many who claim to be women do not behave like women, or at least they behave in ways that are far more typical of aggressive men. If they behaved (and offended) like women, there wouldn’t be a problem.

TurboTeddy · 19/04/2019 21:51

Something along those lines and then left is eating itself types comments. My favourite one under this article was,

"Twitter? Never have, never will."

Said with pride!

Erythronium · 19/04/2019 21:52

"we are changing the nature of what it is to be human"

Yes. Human females no longer have the words to describe ourselves. Trans have stolen them.

heresyisthenewblack · 19/04/2019 22:18

Good articles.

Yes - this is an existential question.

It affects everyone.

Do you care about:
Being able to use language that describes reality?
Having the freedom to believe in what you believe to be true (like reproductive biology) rather than ideological dogma?
People's (including women's) rights to self-determination, including services designed to allow for participation in public life and fairness in events like sports?

The GRA debate is not about a piece of paper. It's the fact that the authorities can force you to pretend you believe that men can be LEGALLY and LITERALLY the same as women - any man can say he is a woman, all he needs to do to legally be one is fill in a form. And a group of very authoritarian people can (and from what we've seen, WILL) pursue you using every mechanism available to them if you disagree.

We know that trans ideology isn't true.

To say a man is a woman goes against what you can see with your own eyes, what you know in your heart and in your head to be true. It's blindingly obvious. It does not take any sort of special knowledge to know that women and men are different, and that you can't magically turn from one to the other, especially not just by uttering a few words!

If a government will be able to compel you to go along with such a blatant untruth, what in the hell else can they make you do?

BettyDuMonde · 20/04/2019 09:20

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trans-people-could-face-rape-charges-if-they-don-t-declare-sexual-history-warns-trans-activist-a7076546.html

Anyone who would like to know the biological sex of their sexual partners (um, everyone?) should also be concerned about the aims of trans activists.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 20/04/2019 10:17

The same issue was raised in the recent gender conference, Betty. Apparently it's mean to mind if people con you into bed by misrepresenting their sex.

BettyDuMonde · 20/04/2019 11:28

Ah, yes.

That’ll be EPATH speaker (transwoman) Alex Sharpe -

www.academia.edu/34338373/Sexual_Intimacy_and_Gender_Identity_Fraud_Reframing_the_Legal_and_Ethical_Debate_Routledge_2018_pp_204

journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0022018315623674?journalCode=clja

Alex gives zero fucks for informed consent when it comes to choosing one’s sexual partner, it seems.
Creepy as fuck.

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