Report on intersex rights

[NeurotrashWarrior]

'The doctor wrote a question mark for my child's sex' www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-47964634

"A number of countries recognise a third gender that can be registered on official documents once someone's gender identity becomes clear. The task force's plan is different - it's about sex rather than gender, and will register children as intersex at birth."

Im not sure why I hadn't realised intersex wasn't recorded like this; it's clear there's a great deal of stigma around the world so this will prove to be a long over due positive step.

2013 The UN special rapporteur on torture says non-consensual "genital normalising surgery arguably meets the criteria for torture"

I also hadn't realised this was so recent too.

I don't want to use / appropriate? the condition of intersex further than as already happens out in twitter TRA land but those chose of words are stark.

By Megha Mohan
BBC Gender and Identity reporter

That's great! I've always thought that it's ridiculous that intersex people have to try and shoehorn themselves into either sex if they do not feel that they want to. And 'normalising' surgery that is not for health reasons, before the patient is old enough to understand or consent to it, is horrific.
Its complete erasure of their existence to force those things on them.
I know that every intersex person is different and some may want and benefit from being named as Male or female but for those that wont this is great. I know it's a spectrum rather than being slap bang in the middle physically. But this just allows children to decide as adults what label they wish to use. I read about the horrific things they used to put intersex children through in the past to have them grow up as either Male or female... apparently they did not even tell a great many of them that they were originally intersex!! Really awful.

The vast majority of people with ‘intersex’ conditions are clearly either male or female at birth and probably won’t be identified as ‘intersex’ until puberty or attempting to get pregnant, if ever.

I don’t know why we need a category that includes everything from XYY Syndrome or being born without a foreskin, which makes little difference to anyone, to salt-wasting congenital adrenal hyperplasia, which can kill you.

The BBC has its own gender and id reporter, they are so woke! I am not undermining the importance of diagnosing medical issues in babies I also do not believe that DSD is on the rise and would be indicated by all the media coverage on this condition. It's just too convenient that it feeds into the T ideology, or rather is being appropriated by their believers.

There are specific chromosomal tests done etc but I'm sure in some countries where you're lucky just to survive childbirth with a healthy child the provision for DSD babies is next to nothing and it is often not discovered until puberty.

I'm so sceptical of the BBC now (and I used to work there) I'm basically not buying it.

I think this is significant for many other parts of the world where genetic testing doesn't occur and as the report explains the mother and child will be rejected by the father or family or unnecessary surgery is carried out.

I agree that most intersex conditions are actually definable as male or female.

I found this significant as the reporter clearly recognises this is about sex and not gender. Big difference. Because biology. And yes their title is wokey wokeness - but clearly reporting on much more important issues than drag fucking story times. I actually found that faintly hopeful.

I also found describing the surgery to healthy genitals as torture significant with regards to children (mostly in the west) who are confused by gender and sex thanks to very confused adults around them who are then giving treatments with a view to 'genital normalising' through physically affirming a gender identity.

I agree that cosmetic surgery on a child who isn’t old enough to consent is wrong.

Going back to my own point (sorry if I’m derailing the thread) do others agree that the term ‘intersex’ is useless and lumping men with Klinefelter’s (which may cause infertility, increased height and speech difficulties) in with 5-ARD (which causes apparently female children to ‘become’ male on reaching puberty) is about as useful as lumping people with migraines in with those with broken legs because both are painful?

Yes I hadn't thought of that angle.

Another analogy would be with ‘neuro-atypical’.

Sometimes it’s useful to be reminded that not everyone is neurotypical but at the same time those with autism, schizophrenia, personality disorders or dyslexia don’t comprise a single coherent group with similar needs.

Not everyone has a typical karyotype, or hormone or genital presentation, but those who aren’t ‘typical’ don’t represent a group in themselves.