But I know a nice...

[Sexnotgender]

Is it just me or do people fail to understand you don’t write legislation based on individuals?

The number of times I see the argument, but I know a nice transwoman and they just want to pee in peace. Or the always predictable NAMALT.

Yes I know NAMALT.

Yes I know there are plenty of absolutely lovely transwomen.

However you need to legislate for the asshole, the miscreant, the nefarious chancer who will abuse any loophole to access vulnerable people.

Until these types come with a warning printed on their forehead we need to create safeguards and protect vulnerable people.

Yep

Class analysis is not a personal slight

Not everything is about you

Most of my friends stop the conversation right there. It's getting so old.

I agree.

The analogy would be every time I get DBS checked, I'd them, but I'm not a paedophile. Get away with your "checking". Stop insulting me.

However you need to legislate for the asshole, the miscreant, the nefarious chancer who will abuse any loophole to access vulnerable people.

^This

Yep.

Also, it doesn’t matter if some women are OK with it - this can’t be a democratic decision, consent is a single veto situation

The same is happening where people are claiming transgender is the problem,not transsexuals.

Again, an impossible distinction to work safely around.

It's dangerous because it is seen as a compromise when it is anything but.

Also, it doesn’t matter if some women are OK with it - this can’t be a democratic decision, consent is a single veto situation

Yip, the woke are so keen to let everyone know how right on they are and how they’ve got no issues sharing facilities.

I think this is a trap that a lot of people fall into - it's a classic fallacy to extrapolate from the particular to the general or to think that anecdote = data. There is also an overweighting of people you know personally as opposed to the great mass of the general population you will never meet.

(I just had a conversation with my mother where she was saying that of two people she knows, one got some particular cancer therapy and is in remission and another didn't have it and died. Therefore she maintains that that particular therapy would definitely have saved the second person as well )

As is said in the legal world, good cases make bad law.

Yes, safeguarding is about establishing systems of protection that cannot be exploited by those who would harm others.

Most people don’t want to harm others. We still need the systems. And single sex changing rooms, for instance, are a type of safeguarding system.

The real predators out there will look for loopholes in our systems and exploit them. But they won’t be carrying placards when they do so, announcing their intentions.

Know a nice trans person also doesn't erase reality: that it's not possible for a person to change sex. That's where legislation should begin and end, not with the fantasy that a man can become a woman or vice versa.

I had a heartwarming but bizarre encounter with the most amazing charity shop assistant.

The name badge said "Paddy" (I've changed that detail) but the top half was Princess Diana in the late 1980s, with a voluminous silk blouse, flicky fringe and subdued makeup. The bottom half was combat trousers and walking boots.

I said: "I bet that you were a New Romantic back in the day" and he fluttered his eyelashes at me.

I know a nice man who doesn't like to use the men's facilities. But this doesn't mean he gets to use the women's!

NB: I am talking generically about men here, but I'd apply the same principles now no matter how a male identifies. It if's set up as female-only, then it ought to be female-only (not predominantly female, with an unenforceable policy that allows in any self-selected males who really believe they should have a right to be there, too).