Sweden is about to legally recognise "gender identity"

[stumbledin]

The new definition being pushed via gender identity legislation turns everything around. Sex is no longer about reproductive function, but is an identity. This does not, however, mean that it is regarded as a free choice: according to certain physicians and trans activists, gender identity is an “essence” that exists separately from socialization processes and the body.
www.feministcurrent.com/2019/04/11/as-sweden-gears-up-to-adopt-new-gender-identity-legislation-important-questions-about-sex-need-answering/

Oh for the sake of actual fuck. How is this madness spreading? Are people being drugged or something? Where are the bloody grown ups?!

Why not recognise hair colour whilst they are at it. I’m sure many will self Id as blonde.

Who cares about gender? It really is just the cherry on the parfait. Decorative and irrelevant.

"gender identity is an “essence” that exists separately from socialization processes and the body."

How can any scientist or person capable of logical thought, or atheist, not read that and realise that they are talking about souls fgs? If something is separate to the body.... then what is it? This is a belief system and should not become law that everyone must comply with.

Yeah well AGP is an 'essence' that exists too.

The T really is the most massively successful cuckoo in the LGB nest, isn't it?

While, in the past, we removed dresses from children with penises, we now remove the penis from children with dresses. The bottom line remains the same: children with penises must not wear dresses.

So true. So fucked up.

In essence I am a man ( as far as I can tell) . I was born an socilaised female and I would like sex based protection system please because it’s not my essence that anyone cared about when discriminating or abusing me.

But one question remains: What do we call the half of humankind who is born with a pair of X chromosomes? Those who have so many things in common: breasts, vagina, menstruation and — in most cases — the possibility of getting pregnant? What do we call this group of people who run a higher risk of being aborted before birth due to their sex, having their genitals mutilated, being denied an education, being raped, being beaten or abused in their own homes, paid less, and being victims of sexual harassment and discrimination in the labour market? What are we supposed to call these people? Do they not deserve a name of their own?

Above from that very good piece

So what would happen if everyone was trans?

No one would be special. Men would start dressing like my grandpa and women would dress like Hilda Ogden/miss world.

Those who get pregnant would be demoted to second class citizens.

Those with stronger bodied and the ability to rape will have the upper hand because - well because they can.

Equilibrium (crap as it is) would be returned.

what do we call these people

Irrelevent.
Invisible

The T really is the most massively successful cuckoo in the LGB nest, isn't it?

At this point, the giant cuckoo is wearing the nest as a tiny hat.

And the sad thing is that id estimate a huge % of those twirling their rainbow unicorn pom-poms now to be in the trans club will be just boring old straight or gay when it’s not trendy anymore. But the damage will have been done.

hipsterfun "At this point, the giant cuckoo is wearing the nest as a tiny hat."

I know the situation isn't remotely funny, but that did make me smile, thanks.

Laws are supposed to be clear and unambiguous. If you can’t define gender identity it has no place in law.

Sweden seems to have a lot of confusion over what has a biological basis and what doesn't. I can't help but think it's related to why they have gone this way on the gender identity question.

Sweden seems to have a lot of confusion over what has a biological basis and what doesn't.

What are you referring to here? Is it about their history of authoritarian socialist policies?

Sweden's eugenics programme 1930s-1970s

"What are you referring to here? Is it about their history of authoritarian socialist policies?"

No, I wasn't thinking of that, though that is an interesting connection, and perhaps it is the same idea.

I was more thinking that they seem to have a history of confusion around what is socially constructed and what is not, and trying to manipulate behaviours around these things for ideological purposes. It seems quite mixed up, and even somewhat inconsistent.

I'm still not sure what you're getting at, Goosefoot. Could you explain a bit more or post some links? I don't really know that much about Sweden.

I am not sure I can give links, this is more my own impression over the years of what seems to go on there. They seem to be unwilling to admit to biological differences between men and women - for example there is their non-gendered childcare, which is to say not really allowing for sex differences including acknowledging them in language. Or their state tv would not air the Norwegian film Brainwashed which criticised an extreme constructivist stance on a number of issues.

I suspect many mumsnet on this board would tend to agree with their constructivism on mental and behaviour issues though - but personally I see it as very much connected to the idea that maleness and femaleness are constructed. They really seem to think if they ignore differences, be they expressed in a directly physical way or through behaviour, they will not exist. Why this seems connected with gender essentialism I do not quite understand but that also seems to be common with other gender essentialist groups. There is some weird thread that connects those ideas.

This is positively insane. How are there not more people shouting from the rooftops about this madness.