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Meet the Experts Training Police in the UK on Trans Issues

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stumbledin · 17/04/2019 18:02

Probably many on this board are familiar with the main characters (culprits?) in this article, but thought it was interesting and useful to have it pulled together in one article.

uncommongroundmedia.com/police-uk-trans-issues/

(Sorry if already posted)

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littlbrowndog · 17/04/2019 18:09

Good piece.

Them grifters got to grift and they surely do grift

hoodathunkit · 17/04/2019 18:48

I have no doubt that police officers and NHS staff are being sent on all manner of insane and dangerous training courses.

To put things in context lots of police are being sent on mindfulness training run by cults, in the past the then Met Police Obscene Publications Squad (aka The Dirty Squad) were all sent on a course of self-hypnosis training called "autogenic training" run by SRA promoting quack Vera Diamond and her testosterone peddling quack husband Malcolm Caruthers.

The Met Police and Greater Manchester police have received leadership training from a committed member of an extremely dangerous religious cult and a committed member of the same cult has provided diversity training to various police services.

Only recently a conference in York trained dozens of police officers and NHS staff in how to deal with satanic ritual abuse. They all got CPD accreditation for attending.

I spoke to an old friend whose husband is a cop a while back and expressed dismay about the kinds of training and CPD courses being provided to police. Her reply was not to express surprise but to say "yes, I know, horrible isn't it".

I suspect that, in the police, just as in the NHS, a lot of people think that the situation is out of control but are too oppressed by the bureaucracy and wokeness to say anything dissenting.

stumbledin · 17/04/2019 19:30

Agreed hoodathunkit

The real question is how do the decision makers in these bureaucracies come into contact with and then accept these outsiders coming in and telling them how to behave.

Would prefer to see police (and the NHS) listening to users.

I suspect it is one of those hidden networks, ie men who all went to the same public school, that is the real problem. You scratch my back, I'll scrath yours, and all the little people can just take the consequences.

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LangCleg · 17/04/2019 20:01

It's a great article!

Extant thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3558491-Meet-the-Experts-Training-Police-in-the-UK-on-Trans-Issues

theOtherPamAyres · 17/04/2019 20:15

how do the decision makers in these bureaucracies come into contact with and then accept these outsiders coming in and telling them how to behave

Maria Miller's Committee told the police to get some training pronto and to consult with the lobby groups who had given evidence to the Committee.

Forces turned to their in-house LGBT network (also known as the Masons, because they are mostly gay men with useful idiot lesbians as figureheads).

The masons found some cheap and cheerful transwomen in the masonic lodge. They were brave, stunning and in need of the police's compassion.

The trainees heard that Trans people were in danger of extinction because 48% were attempting suicide every year. They'd all be dead soon! Others were being murdered in unspecified locations in the UK, probably London but it seemed rude to ask for details.

And there were children born in the wrong body. Think of the children!

The training box was ticked, with little or no money spent. Police leaders moved on and put their Stonewall Champion awards in the trophy cabinet.

And then the shit hit the fan when befuddled, confused police officers on the front-line started repeating some of the balderdash that the AGPs had told them.

They looked at the masons LGBT sternly and the latter replied: "transphobia innit".

And that is how police leaders equipped their officers to lose the public's confidence.

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 12:13

The real question is how do the decision makers in these bureaucracies come into contact with and then accept these outsiders coming in and telling them how to behave.

Sometimes the process starts with mindfulness training

Mindfulness seems harmless and innocuous to most people. Many people who are seriously ill or who are experiencing stress at work find taking part in mindfulness training or having mindfulness therapy helps them to feel better.

However when you are working for an NHS or police service that is under-resourced and underfunded stress and feelings of anger and disappointment and concern for the people you are employed to serve is an important indicator that all is not well.

Undertaking training / therapy that makes you feel content and passive while all the professional structures around you are collapsing is unhelpful in the long term.

Mindfulness interventions have at their core Buddhist philosophies relating to ideas such as the illusion of individual existence.

It is much easier for organisations to become infiltrated when their staff are in a happy trance of positive thinking where scepticism and critical thinking can be dismissed as "fear" and the opposite of "love".

great critique of positive thinking here

Would prefer to see police (and the NHS) listening to users.

Of course it is good for mental health / NHS service users to have input into services, however this can go badly wrong and has in fact gone badly wrong all over the country.

Lots of people are harmed by quackery and bad practice within NHS mental health services.

However any vulnerable person in this situation who attends a community activist group campaigning about psychiatric abuses is likely to find that the group is covertly run by Scientology or some other similar controversial group.

Cults have been targeting and recruiting vulnerable people for many years and when clinical commissioning groups consult with service users about what services they find helpful they are very likely to receive feedback praising and advocating various abusive organisations - or more accurately front organisations that hide their true origin

One of the ways in which our public services are being asset stripped and funds are being diverted towards abusive groups is via this mechanism.

I suspect it is one of those hidden networks, ie men who all went to the same public school, that is the real problem. You scratch my back, I'll scrath yours, and all the little people can just take the consequences.

There may be an element of that but it is much more likely to be groups pretending to empower women, disabled people and minorities including TRA groups that are using vulnerable people as mascots and as a human shield for their nefarious activities.

In fact the use of vulnerable people as mascots and human shields to deflect criticism is one of the indicators of such abusive groups in my experience

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 12:17

Leadership training and life coaching, business coaching and consulting generally are also responsible for some of the mess we are currently in

Lots of life coaches and business coaches, change management coaches etc use NLP to influence people at senior levels

The lower ranks and people on the coal face of service provision don't stand a chance when their superiors have been influenced in this way

skepdic.com/neurolin.html

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 12:46

The youtube channel hosting this video is interesting as is the video itself

posting in case anyone here enjoys long, deep rabbit holes

scary rabbit holes

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 12:46

oops video here

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 12:47

Also worthy of concern are various meditation and mindfulness apps

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 13:12

Also worthy of note is the influence of Buddhist theory, philosophy and concepts on various psychotherapies used widely in relation to the treatment of trauma and to treat children diagnosed as trans, including but not limited to: mindfulness based psychotherapy, Gestalt psychotherapy and Internal Family Systems

If you believe that individual existence is an illusion the idea that you have many different "parts" of "alters" is a natural progression of this concept, as is the idea that your true self is different to the self that inhabits your body.

Narratives around non-binary sleeves also blend into such philosophies quite easily

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 13:40

any readers with a fondness for exploring deep, scary rabbit holes might also like to check out this

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180327054017/inspiringwomenwithsoul.com/program" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20180327054017/inspiringwomenwithsoul.com/program

One of a number of extremely concerning networks appearing to be all about women's empowerment but I think, with a different agenda

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 13:55

The above link is from an interesting network of quacks and charlatans that calls itself the Shift Network

one other subsidiary organisation is this one, a horrible collection of mostly plastic shamans and new age grifters

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20160407085531/indigenouswisdomsummit.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20160407085531/indigenouswisdomsummit.com/

I am familiar with many of the "indigenous" wisdom keepers portrayed and most are fake, new age scammers
Arvol Looking Horse is a real native medicine man, however it is impossible to discern whether he has been tricked into appearing alongside the others (this can and does sometimes happen to well meaning native elders) or whether they are using his likeness without permission (also can and does happen).

Readers should be extremely cautious about websites and groups offering native American or other indigenous shamanic or healing ceremonies.

Most people offering such things are scammers and frauds.

Real indigenous people serve their communities and tend to not offer ceremonies to outsiders.

People claiming to be shamans, wisdom keepers, medicine men and women and the like are at best deluded and at worst criminals

Another red flag is a syncretic mix of different spiritual traditions, e.g. blends of psychotherapy / personal development with Buddhist / shamanic / Native American / Christian / Hindu / Islamic (usually Sufi) teachings.

Unfortunately the psychotherapy field is hurting full of deluded people who believe that they are shamans and medicine people.

These therapists may mean well but they pose a danger to vulnerable people

ScrimshawTheSecond · 18/04/2019 14:26

'Also worthy of note is the influence of Buddhist theory, philosophy and concepts on various psychotherapies ...

... If you believe that individual existence is an illusion the idea that you have many different "parts" of "alters" is a natural progression of this concept, as is the idea that your true self is different to the self that inhabits your body.'

  • the notion of a 'true self' is anathema to buddhist teachings.

According to my understanding, it's not so much that 'individual existence is an illusion', it's more that the separation between self and other is a construct that we use to get through everyday life, but not inherently 'true' in itself. In buddhist thought there is no 'soul'. No 'essence'. The closest western idea to it I suppose would be that we're all made out of atoms that are constantly transforming into other substances.

As with all these things, opinions differ, and it's quite common to misunderstand and misapply teachings, of course.

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 14:42

According to my understanding, it's not so much that 'individual existence is an illusion', it's more that the separation between self and other is a construct that we use to get through everyday life, but not inherently 'true' in itself. In buddhist thought there is no 'soul'. No 'essence'. The closest western idea to it I suppose would be that we're all made out of atoms that are constantly transforming into other substances.

Yes I think you put it better than I did

If there is no true self it makes it easier to believe that you can be whatever you imagine yourself to be

I should say right now that I am not a Buddhist

I am very far from an expert on Buddhism

I am sure that there are really wonderful Buddhists in the world

However, there are many Buddhist cults and fake Buddhist leaders and many of these groups have a long history of sexual and other abuses against vulnerable people

There are many new age entrepreneurs selling "enlightenment intensives", "tantric awakening" retreats and similar.

Some of the worst of them combine what I would call "spa Buddhism" with fake indigenous ceremonies, silent retreats and sexual ceremonies.

A local charity shop to me makes a lot of money from selling plastic Buddha figurines in a variety of non-traditional poses that I think most real Buddhists would find offensive. They sell like hot cakes round here, often alongside shops selling dreamcatchers and cheesy plastic models of stereotype native Americans puffing on peace pipes and the like. Crystals usually make an appearance in the shop windows also. Orgone pyramids also.

hoodathunkit · 18/04/2019 14:49

The Cult Information Centre has a lot of information about Buddhist cults in the UK

Worth contacting if anyone here is worried about a loved one involved in a Buddhist cult

cultinformation.org.uk/

ScrimshawTheSecond · 18/04/2019 17:34

Yes, there are a lot of teachers and groups and schools with questionable morals/backgrounds/intentions, and potentially safeguarding issues in various schools that present themselves as Buddhist, unfortunately. There is a website specifically listing problematic teachers/schools, though I can't remember the name just now ...

I wish more people were more discerning and careful about researching who they choose to study or worship with. Cults are surprisingly widespread throughout most religions; Buddhism is no exception.

(I am quite pedantic, so I don't call myself a Buddhist - I'm not religious and I feel the term is for those who do follow it as a religion. But I have a strong interest the teachings and hopefully a passing understanding of the basic principles.)

When properly understood and applied, I don't think:

'If there is no true self it makes it easier to believe that you can be whatever you imagine yourself to be'

would apply. It's about looking clearly at one's mental constructs and how and why we have created them. It's not about creating new identities. If people come to Buddhism looking to find themself, they are likely to be disappointed!

timeisonmycider · 18/04/2019 19:25

I disagree with a lot of your posts, hoodathunkit, but I agree very strongly with this:

"Undertaking training / therapy that makes you feel content and passive while all the professional structures around you are collapsing is unhelpful in the long term.

Mindfulness interventions have at their core Buddhist philosophies relating to ideas such as the illusion of individual existence.

It is much easier for organisations to become infiltrated when their staff are in a happy trance of positive thinking where scepticism and critical thinking can be dismissed as "fear" and the opposite of "love". "

There was a massive safeguarding crisis in an organisation I was recently involved with. The middle manager was very 'zen', into mindfullness and 'letting things go' and 'not stressing' it.

This culture permeated everywhere and the whistleblower who had the courage to stand up to it was dismissed as 'stressy' 'anxious' etc etc.

I am highly suspicious of people who laud others for being 'laid-back' as if it's something to aspire to. It's important to care about things and have the courage of your convictions and to act on them.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 18/04/2019 20:16

Mindfulness isn't about 'positive thinking'. There are such a lot of misconceptions and misunderstandings about this! I would say it is about awareness of our emotional responses, really. That awareness can lead to a reduction in stress and give us the opportunity to choose how we react. This is not the same as being 'laid back'.

I won't go into using 'zen' as an adjective, other than to say much of Zen is an incredibly rigorous discipline!

Otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree that we definitely need to step up awareness of safeguarding and people need to be taught to use common sense and use critical thinking far, far more. Religion is not something that should be exempt from this, yet too many people are far too ready to trust anyone who presents themselves as a spiritual teacher or guide.

There also should be more overseeing of all religious groups, in my opinion, as people in vulnerable states tend to be drawn to religion looking for help. Currently there is no overarching body to do this in the UK; I do think it could be useful, although inevitably very difficult to balance!

As a rough guide, a good, reputable school/group will have clear safeguarding policies, be open to discussing them, and not be pushy or evangelical.

A good mindfulness teacher will be accredited (usually in MBCT with the Oxford Mindfulness centre), and likewise have safeguarding policies, be open to discussion, etc.

theOtherPamAyres · 18/04/2019 20:21

We would get our answer to the conundrum if we wrote to the Chief Constable or Police and Crime Commissioner asking:

Have you commissioned any training on transgender people and transphobia?
Who provided the training?
Was any training given to ranks of Superintendent and above?
What subjects/topics/themes were covered in the training of front-line officers? (legislation, police powers, good practice)
Was the trainer able to provide these inputs, or who else might have been involved?

They'd have a funny turn! AGPs are probably not up to speed with the information needs of law enforcement officers dealing with transgender offenders. Neither are they au fait with the needs of officers who mediate disputes and incidents. I suspect that they are only good at talking about themselves.

timeisonmycider · 18/04/2019 20:33

"I won't go into using 'zen' as an adjective, other than to say much of Zen is an incredibly rigorous discipline! "

tell that to the person is question who used it to describe her management style!

ScrimshawTheSecond · 18/04/2019 21:09

Did she hit you with sticks? Was she very keen on sweeping floors? :)

timeisonmycider · 18/04/2019 21:36

Don't know about any of those things scrimshaw, just that she banged on about mindfulness, shamed her colleague for raising safeguarding concerns and was negligent to the point that someone very vulnerable was hospitalised.

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