Glitter holes, and children's library sessions

[KatvonHostileExtremist]

So while I was out and about watching TRAs destroy John Boyne, I came across this story.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/drag-story-time-event-for-children-cancelled-at-dublin-library-after-backlash-38015705.html

I know we've debated if these events are appropriate before, but this one really struck me. The name of the drag collective is Glitter Hole, and their profile pic is a pink bum.

They is, of cause, much wailing and fainting over the horror they might not be age appropriate for 3-7 year olds. But I'm thinking their name probably isn't? For sure!

Mummy, mummy, what's a glitter hole? Can I make one?

Erm....

The goal should be for such relationships to be as unremarkable as heterosexual ones.

Exactly!

'My DD's dance teacher is gay and occasionally his boyfriend will come to class or events to help out or whatever. He is 'X's boyfriend' to the kids. '

That's lovely. No glitter, no fabulous this and that, no 'celebrating'. Normal, humdrum, unremarkable, nothing to be afraid of or freaked out by

Marian Keyes, I am so disappointed in you. Glitter Hole, FFS

The goal should be for such relationships to be as unremarkable as heterosexual ones.

Exactly. It would also be good if men wearing makeup and dresses became as unremarkable as women wearing stereotypically male clothing. For a while in the 80s it looked as though things might be going that way, but now we've gone backwards. At least back then everyone knew what sex they were, even when they were playing around with gender.

No we have stuff like this instead.
www.out.com/lifestyle/2019/2/15/3-nonbinary-femmes-describe-what-its-not-being-men-or-women

The goal should be for such relationships to be as unremarkable as heterosexual ones.

Yes I remember someone saying that Stonewall's "Some people are gay, get over it" campaign was unnecessarily antagonistic because the careful efforts over the years for acceptance of same sex couples were already paying off.

At the time it seemed a couple of decades too late. It was in a climate where George Michael was out in spite of being in the closet for years and it didn't lessen his popularity - in fact it gave him more fans. I think pretty much no one had a problem with some people being gay or needed to 'get over it'.

The 'acception without exception' machinery is really out of step with the public. Its quite deranged.

Acceptance

Do you have any idea how many times I've wanted to write:

The goal should be for such relationships to be as unremarkable as heterosexual ones.

on the Internet and backed away because I just couldn't face the roasting it would likely cause? It's not healthy that making such a plain comment is so risky.

The problem now isn't that LGB acceptance should be the done thing. It's the self-appointed police who will attack anyone stepping out of line in order to gain kudos with the woke.

I just couldn't face the roasting it would likely cause? It's not healthy that making such a plain comment is so risky.

That was such an unremarkable comment I don't understand why anyone would give you a roasting over it. What am I missing here?

Houston Public Library's foray into Drag Queen Story Time did not end well.

Library apologises for allowing registered sex offender to read stories to children

www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Library-apologizes-for-letting-registered-sex-13693986.php

Having drag queens in fishnets and stockings in schools and libraries is as much about 'LGBT acceptance' as allowing lap dancers into schools and libraries in order to demonstrate 'heterosexual acceptance".

There seems to be a large number of people watching the Internet waiting for something that can be denounced, no matter how innocuous the intent might be. And from there things can easily spin out of control.

I wasn't worried about my statement. I was worried about some mischief maker spinning it into an admission of homophobia and, however unfairly, it sticking in some way.

I don't particularly have a problem with people 'celebrating' being gay, Pride etc if that's what they want to do. I know that gay people have had to overcome an awful lot just to get to the point they are at now of acceptance (and there are still plenty of people out there who think it's 'disgusting' etc).

But honestly, all the gay people I know in real life (mostly lesbian women in their 30s but some gay men as well) really are just normal people, with normal jobs, just getting on with their lives and they are mostly quite gender conforming as well thinking about it. They don't have rainbow flags next to their Twitter handle, they don't cover themselves in glitter and go to Pride, they don't go on about what it means to be 'in a queer relationship'. They recognise that the work that people have done before them means that they have been able to get married, not be discriminated against at work etc but generally they are just going about their lives.

They are just as 'gay' and just as valid and just as much of a 'queer role model' as a drag queen reading a story to kids.

I don't see how that comment could be seen as homophobic, nauticant, but I understand what you mean about people twisting your words to mean something that you didn't intend.

I've come the conclusion that people can spin absolutely anything into meaning the opposite of what is intended if that's what they want to do, so I've given up worrying about people doing that. I'd never post anything at all if I did.

Someone did something like that to me a few weeks ago, which pissed me off at the time, but I'm not going to censor myself because some people can't be bothered to read properly, or are intent on twisting my words to mean something that is the opposite of what I mean.

It's not so much that there's a problem with people celebrating gayness. It's that the expectation that it must be celebrated puts a weapon into the hands of people whose main motivation seems to be to control others. In such a way that they have free rein in how they exercise their control.

How long have gay men fought to be free of the accusations about being sexually promiscuous and/or paedophiles? Why in that case are they sitting on their arses while groups of drag queens go round the place parading their hyper sexualised personae to little children, and making it all about how they’re gay and special so it’s all fine, and anybody who objects is a homophobe? Are they all so cocky and comfortable that they think they’ve got it all now so they can just wave this shit through in their name and nobody will look back at them? I see people on facebook comments and alike already blaming every nasty squalied little thing done under the banner of LGBT on the gays. Why would any gay man or lesbian think they were immune? The problem is that people instantly dismiss anyone they disagree as bigots, but that doesn’t actually make those people go away. Sadly I don’t think some people will realise this until they start being targetted by homophobes and gay bashers in the street, because they won’t be able to block or ignore them there, and suddenly they’ll realise that all that good work that was done, work to win the hearts and minds of the public and make them realise that we’re not a threat, or out to indoctrinate their kids has been undone.

Ffs, we have a gay Taoiseach is that not a more appropriate role model than a crowd named after an arse hole?

Exactly. The Taoiseach of Ireland is a gay man who brought his partner with him to the traditional White House St Patrick’s Day shindig to meet Mike Pence. Mike fucking Pence. That is the best response to homophobia and bigotry. Normalising same sex relationships and confronting hateful people in a civil way.

Not dressing up in fishnets and leather to giggle about glitter holes (tee-hee-hee!!) to a bunch of hapless 4 year olds whose parents are looking for woke validation badges.

I notice that the library in a hand wringing level of anxiety have subsequently clarified that the cancellation was due to "significant concern at the high level of degrading, inappropriate comments on social media about the performers and library staff

What have we come to when a public service so lacks ethics and values that they can't acknowledge that drag queens celebrating glitter holes is not an appropriate role model for 3 - 7 year olds? They are so bloody terrified that they can't stand up and acknowledge that 3 years olds need protecting from this stuff. Words fail me at their rank cowardice.

Well they have all backed themselves into a corner now haven't they.

Everyone they were desperate to show support to and be inclusive towards has done exactly what we said they would do.

Now everyines trying to work out how to back out in a way they can blame other people and not lose woke points

So we will have the face book disputes
The accidental double bookings
The lack.of interest/not selling tickets
Hell I'm.sure even the weather can be blamed somehow.

What they wont admit is- yeah we got this wrong

We look back at the 70s and wonder how PIE managed to gain so much acceptance within the 'progressive' left. This is how. Yes, it's cowardice. They are so scared of being told that they're bigots and something phobic, that they're promoting sexualised entertainment for 3-year-old children.

Is the 'P' part of the accepted LBGTQI+++ alphabet soup yet?

Not yet Old but I've seen the Paedophile Handbook on Dr Pankhurst's Twitter and so much of their strategy 'marries' with the trans ideology it's really frightening.

"Glitter Hole"!! Shiny sparkly anal sex!! What larks!!
Yeah what a laugh. For decades, scores and scores of young children on this island found out what anal sex is. In Kincora, Artane, Letterfrack....all over the place. Some of them rotted in unmarked graves; some of them lived, physically and mentally broken.
I know this lot aren't quite going to be reading amusing tales of ass fucking to little children in the library but still...
Glitter hole. You can take your woke cookies and shove them up your sparkly arse.
FFS.

I hate , hate hate the whole “queer role model” crap. Three year olds do not need this, because three year olds don’t have a sexuality. This is sexualising very young children. Toddlers couldn’t care less if Bob lives with Brian, they care that Bob can tell a good story without an agenda, and that Bob is interested in them enjoying the story, rather than interested only in Bob.

I run children's classes. I'm thinking of a rebrand. "Fuzzy Gash" sounds like a great name for a company offering services to children - it's cute.

Non-waxed fannies also need to be celebrated and acknowledged by three year olds, don'tcha think?

I means it's totally gender non-conforming, right? .

I love Marian Keyes, and can only assume that she doesn't know what a 'Glitter Hole' is...

I don't but I'm not so devoid of imagination that I can't guess. And I'm not clicking on the link to check if my guess is right.

I've read a fair few of MK's books - and there was one where the heroine ending up running some Friday night club at her house where a load of cross-dressing men came round to be their true authentic selves, and she ordered their clothes & wigs for them.

It was all jolly japes, and totally innocent fun of course. Some people just cannot see, or refuse to see the sinister underbelly.

I can't believe anyone would think drag queen story time for toddlers was a good idea It's clearly an adult, fetish thing. Much more so now, than in the times of Dame Edna and the like.

Want "queer" role models. What about a lesbian fire fighter. A gay nurse. Scientists , surgeons etc

Quite. Its rather concerning that 'queer rolemodel' seems to almost alway mean sexualised males, rarely age appropriate. And of course anyone who complains is bigoted

The goal should be for such relationships to be as unremarkable as heterosexual ones.

I also agree with this. When I came out to my parents, I did it simply by saying I was bringing my partner to meet them that night after college, and it was my girlfriend at the time. They accepted without fuss, was quite a non-event. For me, that was the best way it could have gone. How it seems with many these days is that such a reaction wouldn't be liked, as there needs to be parties and such and sometimes, if parents just accept without raving its seen as homophobia! Issue is, if you make out your sexuality is something special which must be celebrated, it is NEVER going to be seen as as regular as heterosexuality. Which to many many gay/bi people, is surely the goal.

(If the wording in this offends anyone, I am sorry. I now its quite an awkward topic to dis cuss and people tend to get a bit offended)