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Interesting article by Bindel on Dworkin.

23 replies

CraftyWoman · 16/04/2019 12:23

Guardian Link

Just posting this because I felt it might interest some of the posters here.

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Anlaf · 16/04/2019 12:34

Great piece

PickleC · 16/04/2019 12:43

Great article on a writer who sometimes seems ahead of the curve even now

AbsintheFriends · 16/04/2019 12:45

“Women will come back to feminism, because things are going to get far, far worse for us before they get better.”

Really interesting. Thanks for sharing OP.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 16/04/2019 12:49

That is a great piece, despite it appearing in the guardian

Crushedvelvetcouch · 16/04/2019 12:50

Brilliant article.

R0wantrees · 16/04/2019 13:01

See also Julie Bindel's Unherd article on Janice Raymond published today, 'The birth of the transsexual empire:One woman saw the trans bullies coming'
(extract from article)

Small wonder, then, that 40 years after it was first published, TTE is perceived as an important foundation stone in gender critical feminist thinking.

In 1979, the word gender was understood to be separate from the word sex. Sex was what defined a person biologically; gender was understood to mean the sex-appropriate behaviour that was socially constructed. Today, gender has replaced the word sex in common parlance, as if gender itself were biological.

Raymond foresaw this shift. “As I saw it then and see it now, transsexualism goes to the question of what gender is, how to challenge it, and what reinforces gender stereotyping in a role-defined society,” wrote Raymond in her preface to the 1994 reprint of TTE. When I interviewed her recently for this article, she added that “only feminism can challenge the idea of the ‘male’ and ‘female’ brain and notions of ‘masculinity’ and ‘femininity’ being innate”. (continues)

unherd.com/2019/04/the-transsexual-empire/?=sideshare

(Janice Raymond wrote, 'The Transsexual Empire' in 1979)

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 16/04/2019 13:10

Thank you for sharing, I really enjoyed that

Erythronium · 16/04/2019 16:53

Good to read. Thank you for posting.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 16/04/2019 17:19

It's extraordinary how how both could foresee (different) aspects of where we are today.

Thanks for posting the links

truthisarevolutionaryact · 16/04/2019 17:25

Thank you for sharing this. And sadly I agree with her. It is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.

powershowerforanhour · 16/04/2019 17:32

Great article and the links within it are worth following too. She was very farsighted in a lot of ways. The link to the piece and Bill and Hilary Clinton, written at the time of the Monica Lewinsky scandal was excellent "People are calling this a sex scandal but it's an abuse of power scandal". She was right.

RubyViolet · 16/04/2019 19:34

Thanks for sharing.

Annasgirl · 16/04/2019 19:54

That is such an amazing article, I'm going to look up and read all the books she mentions.

It should be mandatory reading for young girls. She is speaking my exact thoughts.

CardsforKittens · 16/04/2019 23:50

Great article. Thanks for sharing.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 16/04/2019 23:52

Letters from a warzone is really worth a read.
Gail Dines uses it on her course.

OldCrone · 17/04/2019 00:13

This article was linked from Julie Bindel's other article today (the Janice Raymond one).

An interesting perspective considering where we are now.

CraftyWoman · 17/04/2019 10:41

Glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks R0wantrees for posting the article about Sheila Jeffries and TTE. Bindel writes so eloquently,

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WeRiseUp · 17/04/2019 11:05

It's pretty depressing how feminists complained about her being an embarrassment - because they thought she looked awful. Ffs.

Why do women have to look a certain way in order to be heard?

Amazing thinkers don't have to look pretty - just like fashion models dont have to be great thinkers. Horses for courses and all that except when it comes to women.

Lottapianos · 17/04/2019 11:07

Great article. Its chilling how accurate Dworkin was about the future, and things getting so much worse before they get better

SignMeUp · 17/04/2019 20:58

Righteous!

PickleC · 18/04/2019 13:08

Interesting how Dworkin understood how 'counter cultural' men would still work collectively to undermine and harm women despite being, I guess, 'woke' in modern terms. Now I wonder if that could ever still happen......

WhereYouLeftIt · 19/04/2019 19:33

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WhereYouLeftIt · 19/04/2019 19:35

Oh sod it, posted in the wrong window. As you were.

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