Telegraph article on pronouns by transitioning person

[Lamaha]

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/do-call-person-transitioning/?fbclid=IwAR1brtvPkZ0WBRGAmCZcgjnG5TAhwKQ6JzeFPzoLyDhf5tug2tkt0MRmJ8U

...Dr (Germaine) Greer, however, is no less prejudiced, or factually inaccurate than a shaven-headed BNP racist shouting that an immigrant who has legally acquired UK citizenship isn’t really British because they weren’t born in this country. In both cases, common decency and the law say they’re wrong.

Bad comparison.

I was an immigrant to Germany, a country so culturally unlike my country of birth and upbringing, in so many different ways, you could say that they are at two ends of the cultural spectrum. I did my best to integrate, and became quite Germanised, got the citizenship, lived as a German. But though I am recognised as a German by law, deep inside I know I'm not really, and won't ever be, German at heart. (Which still doesn't give a German Neo-nazi the right to hurl insults at me.)

My socialisation has not been erased, not even after 40+ years. I know it, deep inside. I'll always own it.

Not this fool again.

^"What do you call a person who is transitioning"
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I can think of plenty of things to call yon one but they would all get me deleted...

Worrying about pronouns for someone that's transitioning while my sex-based rights and meaning of the words woman/girl/female are facing erasure is not my focus. I am of a polite sort so I do try to be thoughtful as well as considerate of everyone at all times. However, if I make a mistake on your pronouns I am not going to feel bad about myself as it would not be intentional. My efforts and kindness convey my intent so if you want to get mad at me for trying and not seeing you how you feel that's your problem.

Once upon a time I tried really hard to help but TRA antics peaked me. Your anger towards me for being born female is ridiculous and not my problem. I do not seek to erase you or invalidate you but I draw the line at you redefining who/what I am and gaining access to spaces meant for actual women/girls/females.

So if you're trans I can tell I will do my best to respect you and use pronouns I think you prefer based on observation of your presentation (or if you tell me). I make these efforts because you deserve dignity and acceptance like everyone does. If I don't use the "right" pronouns it doesn't mean I'm hateful or that I'm committing an act of violence against you it means I said it as I saw it no more no less.

StopThePlanet

Beautiful response

Author David Thomas still lives as a man, but has begun the male-to-female gender transition that will eventually result in becoming a woman.

But it won’t though will it and he knows this so is doing his very best to distract himself with choosing his very exciting and alluring new pronouns which will go some way, but not all the way, to convincing him that he’s fooled us all. He’ll enter our Women only spaces and demand acceptance not realising that his belligerent sense of entitlement gives him away. He can transition all he wants and ask to be called what he likes but he’ll never actually be a she and I think he knows it.

He’ll enter our Women only spaces and demand acceptance not realising that his belligerent sense of entitlement gives him away.

As it does with so very many of these people.

is he for real? or playing it for laughs? I can't tell any more.

It's almost irrelevant at this stage.

He doesn't seem to following the usual script of "I was always a woman but assigned male ar birth". He seems to deciding to transition at some point in the future when he has a window in his diary.

@barelove

Hey there thanks, I meant every word

Colossal idiot

The only personal pronouns that exist are "Me, Myself and I". They are both ageless and sexless and can be used with gay abandon by anybody and everybody.

Sexed pronouns are used by the speaker to detail the sexed reality of an observed person as the speaker perceives it to be and whilst it is possible to miss sex somebody, but if I called a male person "he", even if they were wearing the accoutrements of femininity, I would not be doing so.

Humans can't change sex.

I call myself me and I, anyone else can call me what they want

I can't see the whole article but my simple answer to his question is: "deluded"

What a creep 😕
You can’t just decide to become a woman any more than you can decide to become black,white or Asian. It is both incredibly arrogant and insulting to be of the belief that you can don the identity of the opposite sex (or a different race) as you might a Halloween costume

@SeaWtichly Exactly.

It has been recognized that cultural appropriation are not ok. Why is it ok if the culture they appropriate is the female culture? A lot of the trans women seem to mock female "culture" even more than someone dressing up as a native American by wearing feathers in their hair and faux leather. (Overdone make up, tits that are sometimes too far up on the torso, too strict adherence to gender rules that have not been in place since the 1950'ties).

The trans women then add further insult to injury by saying to women that they are more female than women because they wear more make up, wear dresses more often etc. But if that same person put on native American clothing and then claimed to be more of a native American that someone who actually is a native American, because he was wearing more feathers and beads than the actual native American, everybody would say what BS it is.

”So I reply, ‘I’m he. And when I’m she, you won’t be able to miss it.’”

Perhaps before he goes any further, he should read what James Shupe is writing. He wouldn’t be the first man to delusionally imagine that he will genuinely become a woman, with a woman’s physique. I wonder if the oh-so-marvellous doctor has warned him of the limitations of using feminising hormones on a mature male body.