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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Great article on trying to find a middle ground

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 14/04/2019 13:03

quillette.com/2019/04/11/ignoring-differences-between-men-and-women-is-the-wrong-way-to-address-gender-dysphoria/

It's long but worth reading.

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CremantDeLoireSocialist · 14/04/2019 16:38

I would second this - a really thoughtful, measured article. I'd recommend it.

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 17:34

Yup! Advocate for third and separate equivalency for all those who "transition", are non-binary or whatever other label they choose to apply beyond female and male.

Separate toilets. changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons, separate everything ...

that way, females can have their necessary safety, wellbeing, privacy and dignity and so can people who transition, etc. This is the best solution for everyone.

Remember, the law already explains:

"The Equality Act 2010 provides trans people with the important and necessary protection from discrimination on the basis of gender re-assignment. This is not the same as a general right of access to single sex spaces and services in all circumstances. It is established in case law that the comparator for a transgender person claiming discrimination in relation to gender re-assignment is not the sex which they are seeking transition to but that which they are seeking transition from."

forwomen.scot/30/03/2019/tie-letter-legal-response/

Thingybob · 14/04/2019 18:24

Yes long read and it seems Bogarus (was that the name?) has a lot to answer for. Nevertheless it was good to see the trans arguement set out in an empathetic way. Sadly there was no real solution at the end other than third spaces which are always rejected by TRAS, aren't they?

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 14/04/2019 20:04

Yes, there's also sadly very little incentive for TRAs to meet in the middle as they'e currently getting everything they want. The thing is though that this is spilling really quickly out of social media and into the real world. People who have no idea this debate is taking place are finding their toilets suddenly mixed sex, their children coming home from school confused, their work place policies updated in ways they don't like etc. You can take any article reporting this stuff and all the comments are saying "wtf?", "this has gone too far now", "societies out of control", "how did we get here?" The main papers reporting this are very skilled at whipping up mobs of angry afraid people and if they're the ones who have to push back against it they won't do so in a sympathetic way. A backlash is coming and it's going to be ugly. The gov can't stick it's head in the sand forever. More and more events are being cancelled because invited speakers are GC:

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2019/04/13/conference-cancelled-amid-speakers-fears-fallout-transgender/

No society in history has ever tolerated this kind of censorship long term, and Western society is less tolerant of it than most. The current modal of debate (i.e. no debate, just steamroll over everyone who disagrees) just isn't sustainable. It'll collapse on itself like a dying star and decades of LGBT progress will get sucked into the resulting black hole. TRAs need to open up their minds to a middle ground, either now or after the tide of public opinion turns on them. If they're smart they'll do it now while they have the most bargaining power.

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