The Lancet and Women in Sport

[Annasgirl]

So I was reading my email from the Lancet as I waited for my DS to go to sleep. I have now jumped the shark (ie post peak) on Trans in sport.

There is an article in the Lancet proposing that there is scientific evidence that people with XY chromosomes participating in Women's sport is not disadvantaging women (ie Adult woman females).

Now maybe someone will come along and tell me that I can't read but essentially that is the summary of the article by the writers, one of whom is an athlete who is campaigning for trans athletes - although as usual it is for someone who is XY to compete against females (XX) not someone who is XX to compete against males (XY). Funny how that one never comes up in evidence isn't it? (NOT).

Why bother having separate sports at all, then? Do these people think we're all thick? We can read the stats.

I saw an article on the 2nd April by the lancet but that was about women with sexual development conditions like Caster not males competing in female categories.

OP can you link it?

It’s never unbiased scientists or medics making these reports is it? It’s people arguing for self-interest every single time.

How is garbage like that published in the Lancet? I thought they only published science-based medicine not mumbo-jumbo based on what people want reality to be.

And, yes, if there is no inherent advantage provided by XY chromosomes and male puberty then why have sex segregated sports at all? And why aren’t trans men clamouring to join male sports competitions? There are a few trans men athletes but almost insignificant compared to the number of trans women who want to compete in female sports leagues all of a sudden.

Yes, please provide a link or at least a reference. Who is the athlete/writer? In the meantime, here is a page that links to articles arguing the opposite: www.peaktrans.org/sports/

Is it Joanna Harper?

Sorry yes it’s the one you mentioned. But the person has XY chromosomes and the objection in the article is about the reduction in the acceptable level of testosterone for women competing. I’ll try to link,

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)32214-1/fulltext

Sorry linked the wrong one. This is it

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)30473-8/fulltext

The article is not about transwomen. It is about women with DSD, a very different thing. The problem is that the IOC are applying the same rules to men, as if testosterone were the only difference.

I have a lot of sympathy with the idea that asking women to take medication to (for example) take medication to supress naturally high testosterone is a bit oppressive. Ultimately I think there will need to be some restrictions, but women with DSDs are rare and the rules should be compassionate.

Do you know Caster is an XY female OP? Can you provide a link?

How is garbage like that published in the Lancet? I thought they only published science-based medicine not mumbo-jumbo based on what people want reality to be.

You'd certainly hope they would, following the infamous Wakefield publication.

Ah, "very interesting" as Sherlock Holmes would have said.
I thought I recognised one of the names on that article - Maria Jose Martinez-Patino - one of the 20 people who sat in on the 2015 IOC meeting about transgender people in sport.
Maria has AIS and failed the "gender test" in 1986 abnd was dismissed from the Spanish Olympic team.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Jos%C3%A9_Mart%C3%ADnez-Pati%C3%B1o

Dr Eric Vilain was also on that committee.

stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf

It was Harper's "dodgy research" which led to bad decisions being made.

although as usual it is for someone who is XY to compete against females (XX) not someone who is XX to compete against males (XY)

The only sport can think of where being XX would be an advantage over XY is gymnastics. I'd like to see someone born XY do what Simone Biles does.

"I'd like to see someone born XY do what Simone Biles does."

Two US Olympic champion gymnasts react to men doing women's routines - very funny