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James Kirkup It is now ‘transphobic’ to report doctors’ fears about trans’ children’s health

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Daughterofmabel · 08/04/2019 19:29

Kirkup in the Speccy on yesterdays Times articles. Supportive of the reporting and scathing about the MP who waded in on twitter.

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Daughterofmabel · 08/04/2019 19:32

Hope this works. Not posted link before.
It is now ‘transphobic’ to report doctors’ fears about trans’ children’s health | Coffee House
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/it-is-now-transphobic-to-report-doctors-fears-about-trans-childrens-health/

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Lettera · 08/04/2019 19:38

'Distinguish lobbying from expertise.'

Yes, exactly.

Daughterofmabel · 08/04/2019 19:42

Yes he is spot on as usual.

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Candidpeel · 08/04/2019 19:47

"Do your job properly"... This is literally all we want from anyone I think... The EHRC, NSPCC, GEO... None of them are doing their job properly on this issue.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 08/04/2019 20:24

"The GIDS story is the gender debate in microcosm: politicians have neglected this issue, allowing vocal lobbying interests to set the agenda; when that leads to problems and people try to raise concerns, those people are shouted down with cries of “transphobia.” And the underlying problems persist, with real human costs."

He's absolutely nailed it.

ImGenderfree · 08/04/2019 21:17

Agree with others he nailed it. This needs to be resolved by experts.

Illyria47 · 08/04/2019 21:28

I have e-mailed the thread to this article to my local MP's office who also happens to be the Minister of Health. His assistant thankfully is not 'woke'. Neither is he.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 08/04/2019 22:01

Very good, he did indeed nail it.

WhereYouLeftIt · 08/04/2019 22:46

I fucking love James Kirkup! Grin

R0wantrees · 08/04/2019 23:16

This was the spectator article last May 2018 when James Kirkup took issue with Stephen Doughty MP's position at last years Home Affair's Committee on 'Hate Crime'

Its worth reading in full:

'Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?'
concludes:
I have never met Doughty but have generally heard good things about him from colleagues: bright, committed, thoughtful and so on. So I must assume that he was having an off day when the committee met last week. It happens to us all, after all.

Surely a bright, thoughtful chap like him didn’t mean to imply that it was his job as Member of Parliament to tell newspapers what they can and cannot write? Surely he had no intention of acting as if it is in any way appropriate for a politician to decide what is and is not acceptable for journalists to say, and how they say it? And I can only hope that it was by a simple accident that he singled out by name a female journalist and suggested that her employers stop her saying the things that she thinks – because Doughty happens not to like her saying those things?

As I say, I must assume that he meant none of these things, that he had no such moronic and bullying intent when he spoke and acted as he did. I assume that Doughty is an honourable politician determined to do his job in a democracy and ensure that matters of public policy are debated fully and honestly, whether or not some people find such debate offensive. Because, as I am sure Doughty knows, there is no right not be offended and if we ever let hurt feelings stop us discussing matters of public interest on the basis of the facts, everyone loses.

And it is because I am sure that he is wholly committed to such debate that I decided to write this article. Thanks for everything you’re doing to encourage the free press and open debate, Mr Doughty."
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

R0wantrees · 08/04/2019 23:19

from the OP Spectator article:

(extract)
"The Times today reports serious concerns about the functioning of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) at the Tavistock & Portman NHS Foundation Trust. Lucy Bannerman, the Times reporter, writes:

“The Times has spoken to five clinicians who resigned from the service because of concerns over the treatment of vulnerable children who come to the clinic presenting as transgender.

“They believe that some gay children struggling with their sexuality are being wrongly diagnosed as “transgender” by the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinic.”

“All five former staff were responsible for deciding which trans-identifying youngsters should be given hormone blockers to halt their sexual development.”

The paper also carries a piece by Carl Heneghan, professor of evidence-based medicine at the University of Oxford, who says that the long-term effects of those hormone-blocking drugs when administered to children is not yet known; the medicines concerned were not developed for this purpose, he notes:

“Given the paucity of evidence, the off-label use of drugs that occurs in gender dysphoria largely means an unregulated live experiment on children.”

That’s quite something. NHS clinicians, supported by a leading medical academic, have said they fear the NHS is doing something that could be harmful to children." (continues)

relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553935-Times-article-calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518188-BMJ-Prof-Carl-Heneghan-Evidence-Based-Medicine-Oxford-Panorama-Trans-Kids-Gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-Evidence-review-concludes-There-are-significant-problems

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 09/04/2019 00:14

Typical, brilliant James Kirkup.

He is very good at cutting through the noise and holding politicians to account.

He's so right too. Imagine if there was another vulnerable group of patients, say women with vaginal mesh, and doctors and some patients started speaking out saying vm"this treatment is making these women's condition worse, and it's doing permanent damage, and a newspaper reported it, no way would a journalist be attacked for reporting on it, by MPs! MPs, who never had vaginal mesh treatment (eg men like Doughty) stating this IS the correct treatment and this doctors don't know what they are talking about. Confused This situation is just insane.

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