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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Full Committee Hearing on H.R. 5, the “Equality Act” (and "Lesbian's at Ground Zero" follow up)

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings · 03/04/2019 11:27

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=UOOF6GJl8A0&fbclid=IwAR1r1gj8n-UOTWAvlKEddHqI-S4_tWHgL9DvVcCzF7mOYDjNhefNrv0miiU

Julia Beck gives her speech at 59 minutes in, calling the HR 5 a human rights violation. Already there have been calls for her testimony to be considered inadmissible. She also reported the findings from the "Lesbians at ground zero" report and formally requested the research be entered into the documents of the hearing. Apparently she'll be coming to give talks in the UK in May.

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jeaux90 · 03/04/2019 13:14

I listened to all of this mostly with horror if I'm honest. It's like watching a horror movie through your fingers, I can't believe they want to write something into law which they can't prove or define. There was so much gaslighting on.

GrinitchSpinach · 03/04/2019 14:33

It is really a nightmare. Democrats are determined to push this through, and the grassroots groups in opposition, though fighting valiantly, are small in number and almost completely frozen out of media coverage.

I have to admit I'm feeling very hopeless about this as an American woman and a lifelong Democrat.

happydappy2 · 03/04/2019 18:03

Have just watched all of it, a couple of very good points raised re how can a feeling be written into law? Whilst I support LGB rights, it is so maddening that lawmakers can’t see the potential harm to women, if men can legally be recognised as women.....there will be no protection for government grants for women, sports scholarships for girls, it is blatantly removing women’s rights.

jeaux90 · 03/04/2019 19:22

Oh I think they can see it. They just don't want to say it or they don't give a shit. There is no way people don't see what's going on here.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings · 03/04/2019 19:50

What I still don't understand is what's the agenda here? I mean, I guess you could be charitable and say stonewall is fighting a cause it deeply believes in. Or if you weren't feeling charitable you could say its got a strong financial incentive to keep up the campaigns. But what's in it for everyone else? Why are women colluding in this? Are key policy makes and politicians going to profit from this? If so, how? If not why are they backing it so aggressively? I've read the "follow the money" and "financial juggernaut" threads. I've heard Posie's opinions about AGPs and more sinister motives. I've seen the arguments for and against the big pharma theories. But none of it convinces me tbh. Especially the pushing of the ideology onto children. For what end? What's the goal here? Or is it just a group of extremely wealthy narcissists refusing to be defied and not giving a crap about anyone else. Has the entire western world somehow become trapped in an abusive relationship with trans-activists? Do we need to organise a mass broadcast of the freedom programme? I haven't figured out a motive yet that doesn't put me in the tin-foil hat group.

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AnyOldPrion · 03/04/2019 19:59

I haven't figured out a motive yet that doesn't put me in the tin-foil hat group.

I feel equally uneasy when I look at what’s happening, because it’s close to unbelievable. I suspect the small group of astonishingly influential, rich narcissists is part of it. But I look at the medical situation and can’t understand how even NHS doctors are being pressured.

But there have been public outbreaks of mass hysteria before, with the satanic abuse scandal and multiple personality disorder fad. I can’t remember where, but I read an article the other day about how those things were shaped and they seemed to emanate out from a tiny core group.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings · 03/04/2019 20:12

It's hard when people whose opinions you've always sneered at, suddenly seem to be the only ones talking sense. And people you've previously respected, suddenly seem to have lost all critical thinking skills. It's hard not to doubt yourself. Like that old joke where the wife calls her husband as he's driving home from work and says "be careful darling, there's some lunatic driving the wrong way down the road" and he says "I know, but there's not one, there's hundreds of them!" So when I see this being discussed in congressional hearings and high level UN meetings its very reassuring, to know I'm not (necessarily) the guy driving the wrong way down the road. There are enough high profile intelligent people out there agreeing with us that we can't be completely mad thinking like this. But it doesn't seem to be making a dent and I don't know why.

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BadPennyNoBiscuit · 03/04/2019 20:22

''Diffusion of responsibility is a...phenomenon whereby a person is less likely to take responsibility for action or inaction when others are present.
Considered a form of attribution, the individual assumes that others either are responsible for taking action or have already done so.
Assumption of responsibility tends to decrease when the potential helping group is larger, resulting in little aiding behavior demonstrated by the bystander(s). Causes range from psychological effects of anonymity to differences in gender.
Implication of behaviors related to diffusion of responsibility can be threatening as there have been increases in moral disengagement and helping behavior.''
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_responsibility

jeaux90 · 03/04/2019 20:34

I know what you mean. Sometimes I have to step away for a few days because I find it all so unbelievable and a bit damaging to my mental health.

I work for a woke US software company and I have voiced my GC opinions when I can, and I find most people agree so I wonder then who actually agrees with this shit in "normal" life.

But the TA's have never focussed on us, they focussed all the money and lobbying on political institutions, service providers and policy makers. They did it by aligning with the LGB and chucking a truck load of money at it.

No one wants to say no because it looks like they are anti LGB.

The end goal? I think there are a few objectives here and most of those have been well voiced by our well known GC feminists.

But no one is listening to women.

I do find it quite clever that WPUK have stayed away from projecting on what they think the goals of self ID and Gender identity in law is. They have chosen to focus on protecting rights and sex as a characteristic.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings · 03/04/2019 20:43

Thanks, that was interesting (may also have gone through and edited the article to say sex not gender...)

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BickerinBrattle · 03/04/2019 20:50

I think, at base, it's this: we are at a time when mainstream economists are predicting, within 1-2 generations, 40-50% unemployment in the developed nations, due to automation and global.outsourcong of labour.

The early tremors if that massive change are already happening. In the past, economic threat to men's ability to work has always meant shoving women out of the public sphere.

Both men on the left and men on the right are going to side with themselves against women. We're in a pincer squeeze: the right wants us back in the home, the left wants us in a brothel.

Genderism in one fell swoop, if encoded into law, curtails our ability to challenge that -- esp in the US where women don't actually have Constitutiinal protection as equal citizens spelled out. By some interpretations, on that basis, TW already have more rights in the US than women: as males, they are guaranteed equal protection under the 14th Amendment.

Women collude in this for all the reasons some women have always aligned themselves with (male) power. There are clear benefits to doing so.

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