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I managed ton peak trans my sons 18 yo girlfriend

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Diddleysquat · 03/04/2019 07:48

And I’m feeling quite pleased with myself. DS, also 18, is well aware of my radical opinions and even agrees in private but would not express any GC views out of the home so he spent the entire conversation pretending it wasn’t happening.
Peaking her was relatively easy as she is a smart girl who understands science. I was shocked as she used every daft statistic I have read on here - but the suicide and murder rate? But can’t we just be kind and let them be? - the clincher though was when she pointed me towards the “scientific” evidence that male and female brains are different Grin. Easy peasy after that.
I like her more and more.

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nauticant · 04/04/2019 20:45

No, those are the Grey Rocks.

Shenanagins · 04/04/2019 20:53

I managed to peak trans, if you can call it that my Mum who after explaining what trans is in the first place I went on to explain all of the various issues. She only really got it when she suddenly exclaimed, “does this mean that they would be able to come to who WI!”

This was a step too far for her!

Beamur · 04/04/2019 21:07

I think the WI have been welcoming transwomen for a while now Shenanigans

Fallingirl · 04/04/2019 21:51

Diddley when you first said you’d been playing ‘A history...” , for a brief moment I thought there was an app or computer game based on it Grin

That would be awesome and ought to happen next. Any game delopers among mumsnetters?

MrGHardy · 04/04/2019 23:34

"he clincher though was when she pointed me towards the “scientific” evidence that male and female brains are different"

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00677-x

www.newscientist.com/article/dn28582-scans-prove-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-male-or-female-brain/

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Diddleysquat · 05/04/2019 06:58

Yes, MrGHardy, those (and others) were the links I used. She was using an article written in the 80’s to back up her argument. What is worrying is that she was given that article in school with no recently published stuff to refute it.

Fallingirl, that is a great idea Grin can we call it “I think you’ll find a woman did that first” a game to spot all the times that men take historical credit for the things women achieve.

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Diddleysquat · 05/04/2019 07:06

Ton = to
Peak trans = expose some of the massive flaws in trans rights ideology that is being circulated as fact by the media and schools.
It would be much nicer if it was a mountain in the Peak District.

I don’t really see why anyone would need screenshots of my thread. But if they do I have some wonderfully seditious things to say about society’s rigid norms regarding spelling and grammar.

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BillyBadBreaks · 05/04/2019 11:24

Diddleysquat, not a term I've heard of before (would likely have guessed the ton bit if I had). I can imagine then that from the other less helpful replies I got: "one of those" is someone who doesn't agree with you and someone might want a screenshot to post elsewhere and complain about.

Thanks for actually answering my question even though we disagree!

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Diddleysquat · 05/04/2019 13:43

What exactly is it that you think we disagree on?

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DpWm · 05/04/2019 13:57

BillyBad
Unfortunately we have frequent visitors to this forum who deliberately goad forum users, then post screenshots to Twitter (or wherever) of posts, twist it's meaning, misinterpret the post, complain about the user to MNHQ, and it's all done without the actual user being present to represent themselves.

So people here are understandably cautious of engaging with people who, now please don't take offense, seem willfully ignorant of certain terms and obvious typos.

But please, welcome. Do engage.

BillyBadBreaks · 05/04/2019 14:13

DpWm Ha ha ha sorry, just a miss understanding then! I don't have any evil intent.

Diddleysquat Not so much disagree, I'm just more of the opinion But can’t we just be kind and let them be? Just because science can't prove something exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm interested in truth but also happy to accept people's experiences. Probably because non-binary is the best fit for how I feel.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 05/04/2019 16:50

Id never heard of the expression wither and I'm an absolute shrinking violet around these parts...

MrGHardy · 05/04/2019 16:54

"What is worrying is that she was given that article in school with no recently published stuff to refute it."

Selection bias - they cherry pick articles that seem to confirm their biases. Very strong with this lot, hence why so many are under the delusion that "science validates transgender people".

ZebrasAreBras · 05/04/2019 18:04

But can’t we just be kind and let them be?

Unfortunately - although the live and let live philosophy was one I subscribed to for a very long time (BPT: Before Peak Trans) - it seems we cannot do that and still have women's rights and children's safeguarding left unaffected.

There is plenty of info on this forum explaining why this is the case, why self ID is a terrible idea, and why women's & girl's privacy, dignity, safety matters, and why the biological sex category "woman" exists and is protected in law.

BillyBadBreaks · 05/04/2019 18:12

But of course that's assuming that trans people are dangerous. How does someone being non-binary put children in danger?

DpWm · 05/04/2019 18:14

Lol.
Trans people aren't dangerous and no one thinks that Grin

DpWm · 05/04/2019 18:16

Male non-binary women are as dangerous as men.
Female non-binary people are as dangerous as women.

NAMALT obviously.

DpWm · 05/04/2019 18:17

Wtf?
Apologies for my epic typo
I will try again.

Male non-binary people are as dangerous as men.
Female non-binary people are as dangerous as women.

NAMALT.

BillyBadBreaks · 05/04/2019 18:17

Trans people aren't dangerous and no one thinks that
Apart from ZebrasAreBras apparently?

BillyBadBreaks · 05/04/2019 18:22

Posted my last message before you posted your second and third. How would a man pretending to be non-binary get in the way of children's safeguarding?

ZebrasAreBras · 05/04/2019 18:54

No, I don't think all trans people are dangerous - but as DpWm says, offending rates will match their biological sex, not their gender identity.

Women are overwhelmingly the victims of sexual crime, and men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators.

Male-bodied people have no business in women's spaces, regardless of their gender identity.

Self ID is open to abuse by predatory men -cases are abundant already.

MrGHardy · 05/04/2019 18:55

Some transwomen are dangerous. Some men will take advantage of self ID.

Stop trolling Billy.

ZebrasAreBras · 05/04/2019 18:55

Plus, regardless of 'danger' - it' a simple matter of privacy and dignity. Penises do not belong in female spaces.

ZebrasAreBras · 05/04/2019 18:56

Time for a visit to Bunbury?

DpWm · 05/04/2019 18:57

I see nothing in ZebrasAreBras post to indicate they think trans people are dangerous.

We have sex segregated spaces for a reason.

Why do you think we have sex segregated spaces?
Why do you think some men who utter some magic words ("I identify as whatever") should have unfettered access to women and young children's spaces whilst other men can't?
Do you think there's any objective difference between a man who identifies as non-binary and any other man?