A video discussing gender critical feminism

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By Natalie Wynn aka Contrapoints

There have been some good responses, I like this one;
“A hate movement hiding behind a bunch of pseudo-feminist platitudes”: Response to ContraPoints

medium.com/@aytchellis/response-to-contrapoints-263a2796bb9b

Love that response. Very well thought out and logically presented. I think the problem with Natalie is that she cannot separate her perspective as a late-transitioned trans woman from her views of gc feminism. Her belief that gc feminism is driven by disgust / transphobia is her projection of her own self hatred prior to transition.

GC women I know are not disgusted by trans women but are fearful / distrustful of any male bodied person in female spaces. And that fear is only heightened by the mantra that anyone who says they’re a woman, regardless of how they present, is a woman and entitled to be in female only spaces. The fear is not based on prejudice because it is not a fear of trans women: it is a fear of males, a justified fear if you look at crime statistics and based on women’s real lived experiences of having to navigate threats from males. If trans women want to be accepted in female spaces then act like an ally, not an entitled bully, calling names and threatening rape and murder as so many trans activists do.

One problem I have with videos by Contrapoints is that if they presented their argument without the visual distractions, and without the bizarre use of language, in plain terms, the result would come across as a combination of the bleedin' obvious and unsupported assertions.

Sorry. The Voice was strong in that one.

I can't get past the tweeness. Almost as though they are playing to the stereotype "feminine".

And yes. I ain't afraid of you because you are a transoman. I fear you in female spaces cos, honey, you are a man!

And I say that as a female who was trying on dress in Next when a man brought his son in to try on some clothes. The curtains twitched, my heart skipped a beat. Then I realised. Kids clothing is next to Womenswear.. nearest changing room... what else is a dad supposed to do. And he did telegraph his entry, bless him "Come on in here, the changing rooms, you can try on the blue shorts first"

Omgsosh I managed an entire 5 minutes of this dolled up narcissistic Riley-J lookalike do people actually watch this person the whole way through?

Welcome to Mumsnet, OP. What do you think of the video?

Yes! ContraPoints is one of the most popular trans YouTubers and is attracting a mainstream audience outside of the trans community. There were features written about her in the New Yorker and NY Times. I guess it passes for intellectual commentary in the US these days.

I actually don’t mind CP. She’s quite funny and is at least honest about her transition and makes some attempt to argue from reason rather than the likes of Riley J Dennis et al who are all about the feelz and the laydee brain.

From the medium article:

“Our problem is not (and should not be) with male people presenting as stereotypically feminine, our problem is with male people claiming to be women, regardless of how they present.”

Not sure I agree entirely with this summary. I understand using lipstick and wearing dresses or skirts to indicate their feeling of femaleness, but I don’t like the extremely sexualised presentation so many of them choose, and I despise those who dress as little girls, including nappies or silly frilly knickers.

To me that demonstrates the fact that this is all a sexual kick, not anything approaching womanhood. Sexual kicks are fine, but keep it in your bedroom. Don’t involve the wider world, who have not consented.

Hm. Contrapoints did a video a while back with a gender critical feminist 'debating' a transwoman. The feminist turns into some kind of demon and drinks her menstrual blood in the bath.

Horrible sneering attitude. I've worked with people like this, really grim.

Oh, if I may uncharacteristically defend Riley Penis, Riley actually did a video examining 'laydee brains' in male bodies and concludes there were no such thing.

Riley is firmly in the mystical inner essence camp of Gender ID from what I can tell, with hefty doses of vocal fry and woke catchphrases. It's the special kind of cognitive dissonance that both claims to have the backing of 'science' and also thinks that a male body is and has always been a female one if the male really feels it is...

Finding it hard to ignore that the author of the response linked to is using "trans women" and "non-trans women" throughout.

Combined with some questionable representations of gender critical viewpoints, I have to admit that for me this is a lukewarm take at best. It sounds clever, but if you cut through the jargon, this is more appeasement and pandering than I like.

Of course, the author may well not be gender critical and/or a radical feminist and thus any misrepresentations or misinterprations may just be rooted in her own subconscious biases rather than deliberate.

I’m thoroughly enjoying the response videos popping up!

Here is Radical Feminist Leah Tverly: m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3RGxXJDgs

And a view from a gender critical man (looking forward to part 2):

m.youtube.com/watch?v=I7QXcYBgNIY

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