Caroline Farrow Support Thread

[GeordieGenes]

Caroline, I am honestly almost in tears looking at your Twitter feed tonight.

Her kids have been doxxed by the good doctor.

She is continuing to receive harassment from TRAs. Someone has just sent a pizza to her house.

We all need to get behind her. They think she's a weaker target because of her Catholic views, I'm sure. Let's get on Twitter and report everyone that is sending her abuse.

And i would gladly support a crowd fund if it would make any impact whatsoever.

Me too.

I've donated to Glinner's fund which will goes to the Vancouver Rape Centre which Morgane Ogre got defunded/ legal fund for women targeted by the TRA.

Count me in.

It’s not allowed on either MN, Twitter or FB

Maybe not on FB or Twitter, I don't know about there, but it definitely is here.

I cannot refer to Stephanie as “her” any more than I can “their imperial royal highness”. Using they, them is entirely reasonable and not harassment
That's deliberate misgendering her though, even if you don't want to see that.
And it does happen, all over this board - they and them used repeatedly

In this legal guidance, the term harassment is used to cover the 'causing alarm or distress' offences under section 2 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 as amended (PHA), and 'putting people in fear of violence' offences under section 4 of the PHA. The term can also include harassment by two or more defendants against an individual or harassment against more than one victim.

Although harassment is not specifically defined in section 7(2) of the PHA, it can include repeated attempts to impose unwanted communications and contact upon a victim in a manner that could be expected to cause distress or fear in any reasonable person.

And

Harassment of an individual can also occur when a person is harassing others connected with the individual, knowing that this behaviour will affect their victim as well as the other people that the person appears to be targeting their actions towards. This is known as 'stalking by proxy'. Family members, friends and employees of the victim may be subjected to this.

And

Whilst there is no strict legal definition of 'stalking', section 2A (3) of the PHA 1997 sets out examples of acts or omissions which, in particular circumstances, are ones associated with stalking. For example, following a person, watching or spying on them or forcing contact with the victim through any means, including social media.

The effect of such behaviour is to curtail a victim's freedom, leaving them feeling that they constantly have to be careful. In many cases, the conduct might appear innocent ( if it were to be taken in isolation), but when carried out repeatedly so as to amount to a course of conduct, it may then cause significant alarm, harassment or distress to the victim.

I note:
Three defences are available to the section 2 offence:

that the course of conduct was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime;
that it was pursued under any enactment or rule of law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any enactment; or
that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable.

(Basically in the public interest defence)

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/stalking-and-harassment

Gosh this is enlightening.

'they' is gender neutral-so how can it be misgendering?

I was wondering that too! What gender is 'they', Kiwi?

it does happen, all over this board - they and them used repeatedly

It does indeed. And you cannot compel anything else. So sad for you, but you cannot force women to comply with forced speech, and I and many others on here will resist every single little jab like this post of yours to attempt it.

It does indeed. And you cannot compel anything else.

I'm not compelling anything, I was just disagreeing with the comment "it doesn't happen on MN and it isn't allowed" as it clearly is.

People know what sex other humans are

They just do

People have a right to describe the world around them as they perceive it

That will mean using pronouns for people that correspond to their biological sex

Deal with it

'they' is gender neutral-so how can it be misgendering?

My employer must be guilty of violently misgendering everyone in the organisation, as they’ve asked that “they” is used in place of gendered pronouns.

they and them used repeatedly

That’s not ‘misgendering’. It’s allowed here, FB & Twitter. You cannot compel anyone to say things, especially when they, and most of the population, know them to be untrue.

Lime what attracted you to a support thread for Caroline?

Really? Don't know about you but if anyone kept repeatedly calling me out to tell me I was a he or they, I'd feel pretty harassed, maybe you wouldn't.

Perhaps if abusive males stopped behaving like abusive males people wouldn't be mentioning them in the first place?

those nametags won't give themselves out

Lime what attracted you to a support thread for Caroline?

Very good question.

it doesn't happen on MN and it isn't allowed"

That’s an accurate statement. Misgendering someone who is trans is not referring to them as ‘they’ or ‘them’, it’s using their birth sex pronoun. Which is not allowed here, so that is an accurate comment.

I'm not compelling anything, I was just disagreeing with the comment "it doesn't happen on MN and it isn't allowed" as it clearly is.

You are attempting to compel it just as many of your ilk have attempted to for some time, especially since the guidelines were put in place. They state we cannot call a man a man if he believes himself to be a woman. So you will find that deleted.

They do not state we must call him a woman, and they say that neutral terms are fine. Your mealy mouthed attempt to suggest this is bigotry when it is simply women refusing to lie on command is an attempt to control. And you may stick it.

they and them used repeatedly

Thats not misgendering

Ive literally got no idea who im talking to on here...and how they identify

I use them and they loads

Mumsnet has confirmed in the past that 'they' is fine to use here. Or th person's own name - which is the one I generally favour.

Eg. Caro In my opinion, Steph seems to want to further Steph's harassment of you by coming on to a support thread for you on Mumsnet when you have publicly asked Steph/Dr Harrop to stop. Steph has no idea just how badly it makes Steph look to chase you across social media platforms to berate you.

^ So, a bit clunky, but no misgendering at all.

Lime what attracted you to a support thread for Caroline?

I'm on MN a lot, on all the boards - not specifically in here. I didn't know I was only supposed to stay on certain threads?
It's open to all on here is it not?

You are attempting to compel it just as many of your ilk

My ilk? Wow, OK. I don't know any of these people. I'm not compelling anything, you're entitled to your opinion I was just pointing out in some cases like repeatedly on social media it'd be seen as harassing

Hayden on Twitter: All I am saying is that it is comedy gold on #Nuttersnet this afternoon. The #transgender hostile extremists all seem eager to stifle debate all of a sudden 😂

I don't see any stifling of debate - just a request to leave Caro & her kids alone.

Plenty of debate threads to get your teeth into round here, Steph. I'll look out for your posts debating the impact of transgender ideology on women's rights.

Oh, sorry Steph - was that a dogwhistle for your mates to join up and post on Caro's thread on MN? My bad. I thought you might actually want a debate.

You know, rather than disrupt a woman's support thread.