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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If there were no gender stereotyping, there would literally be no children with gender dysphoria [Edited by MNHQ]

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drspouse · 01/04/2019 18:07

The criteria for diagnosis of gender dysphoria in children are here:

www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
(The ones for adults are a bit different).
To be diagnosed a child must for show 6 of the 8.
More than two of them involve sex role stereotypes.
Therefore if clinicians and parents did not believe that children of either sex should adhere to sex role stereotypes, it would LITERALLY be impossible to diagnose gender dysphoria in childhood.
That's not me saying, children think they are the other sex because society tells them so.
That's psychiatrists telling them!

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drspouse · 01/04/2019 18:09

Clicky link
www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

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Datun · 01/04/2019 18:29

"In children, gender dysphoria diagnosis involves at least six of the following and an associated significant distress or impairment in function, lasting at least six months.

A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender

A strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender

A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play

A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender

A strong preference for playmates of the other gender

A strong rejection of toys, games and activities typical of one’s assigned gender

A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy

A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one’s experienced gender"

Unbelievable.

And associated significant distress?

Of course they're going to bloody well be distressed if they are told that liking certain toys is any kind of symptom of a mental illness!

I need to read more of that link. This can't be right.

FermatsTheorem · 01/04/2019 18:36

Absurd.

How do you know you're a snargle?

Well, only snargles like kiffles. And I like kiffles.

And how do you know that only snargles like kiffles?

Because people who don't like kiffles are non-snargles.

butteryellow · 01/04/2019 18:57

Phew - I only got 5 (all the social ones.. my body hatred was my entire body, not just my sexual anatomy..).. but then I was an 80s child, and we were a lot freer to play/wear what we wanted, and stuff was a lot less gendered anyhow (well, outside of school) than kids are now with all the clothes and pink toys. My fondness for toy bows/arrows and airplanes and short haircuts barely raised an eyebrow, unlike it would now.

WeepingWillowWeepingWino · 01/04/2019 19:23

It is such a load of bobbins, it really is.

drspouse · 01/04/2019 19:25

But it's so cruel too.
And it means that Let Toys Be Toys have literally posted about children who are diagnosed with a medical condition due to sex role stereotypes, while trying to smash sex role stereotypes.

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SisterWendyBuckett · 01/04/2019 21:00

How can anyone write such feeble crap Angry

TeenTimesTwo · 01/04/2019 21:09

Shouldn't it be having these 3?:

A strong insistence that one is/should be the other sex
A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy
A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics of the opposite sex.

LizzieSiddal · 01/04/2019 21:09

I can’t conorehend how anyone with any sense, can think that list is ok.

drspouse · 01/04/2019 21:33

SisterWendy I have no idea but these are the psychiatrists.

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Zigbot · 01/04/2019 21:48

Gosh. I was a 70s and 80s child and I’d have ticked most of those boxes.

I wanted to be a boy with black curly hair and wear dungarees. I was a blond girl but my parents bought me the dungarees. I wanted to be a boy because boys weren’t shy and were always very sure of themselves...

Imnobody4 · 01/04/2019 21:53

I'm not sure this still stands as gender dysphoria is no longer classified as a mental disorder. This links shows how the dsm is determined - it is totally ridiculous.

www.objectnow.org/news/2019/1/4/cracked-it-why-transgenderism-is-not-really-a-thing

drspouse · 01/04/2019 22:05

AFAIK children can still be diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

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Imnobody4 · 01/04/2019 22:41

I get really confused because replies to letters from my MP and P Mordaunt have commented on it not being a mental disorder
WHO announced Monday that in its newly released edition of the International Classification of Diseases, gender incongruence will now be classified as a sexual health condition.
Gender incongruence is "characterized by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual’s experienced gender and the assigned sex," according to the International Classification of Diseases (ICD).
But as I understand it the diagnosis is to get medical care. Not sure how they diagnose it. Totally bewildered.

OldCrone · 02/04/2019 00:57

gender incongruence will now be classified as a sexual health condition.

I think what's happened is that the trans lobby insisted that gender dysphoria wasn't a mental health condition, just like homosexuality isn't a mental health condition. But then they realised they wouldn't get all the body modifications they wanted if it wasn't a medical condition, so they decided that it must be a physical health condition (I have seen it called 'somatic' which I think means to do with the body rather than the mind).

The arguments are so utterly insane I don't understand why so many doctors and psychiatrists seem to be going along with it.

WombOfOnesOwn · 02/04/2019 01:03

So now we're diagnosing very, very young children (as young as 2!) with "sexual health conditions"?

Thesepreciousthings · 02/04/2019 06:05

Not only is this heartbreakingly regressive, this concerns me:

A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy

The disconnect, fear and loathing of one’s own genitals, seen in children, was at one point a potential indicator of sexual abuse/trauma. Is this not only another example of the pink brain/blue brain fallacy but another way of dismantling safeguarding procedures?

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