Paula Radcliffe speaks up for female athletes

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I don't see any thread about this. I do think she has opened herself up to criticism with her arguments; hopefully she too will do some more research! But it's all good.
www.theblaze.com/news/paula-radcliffe-transgender?fbclid=IwAR3IkJlcjiuowQ4atALPsEZE-k6Q30Hn_Qjr_qc7tNH9zcRmMAZZxzFNBrQ

Thank you Paula.

Great female athlete. Women standing up for women - a good start to the day.

Gaby Logan too

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6866903/Gabby-Logan-backs-athletes-claim-transgender-women-unfair-physical-advantage.html

Thank you, Gaby. And Paula.

Thank you Paula.

I'll always remember when you finished the race, picked up your daughter and tucked her hair behind her ear like a typical mum. That was so inspiring. Amazing athlete and typical mum at the same time!

No one with XY chromosomes can inspire women and girls like that. It is unfair to have males feeling entitled and being enabled to push women and girls out of our own competitions.

Stay strong.

It is so important that these elite women athletes are speaking out - and clearly stating that they speak on behalf of current athletes as they are unable to speak out because of the bullying. Now if some more of the elite male athletes could back them up....

Actually brave and stunning, well done them

to all the female athletes speaking out. Now for the men to step up and also say what they think.

Thank you Paula. You are awesome in so many ways.

It is brilliant that more people are speaking up. I do think women at ALL levels of sport should be protected from transgendered men taking part in their competitions though, not just elite athletes.

We won't have any elite women athletes if young girls are beaten by male bodied people early on in their life.

Also, even amateur women are allowed to want to win if they are actually the best woman in the race, aren't they?

Gabby does a lot of presenting with the BBC so this is definitely brave.

Yes, it's any competitive sport at whatever level. Fun participation events like park runs, fine. But not the under 16s county cross country championship. And certainly not women's rugby, or boxing.

I’ve said this before, but Paula’s women’s marathon world record would have broken the men’s record in 1956. Many argue her record isn’t as valid as Kitany’s because Paula was paced by men. There are 3400 men who have run 2.10 for the marathon...

www.alltime-athletics.com/mmaraok.htm

...so there’s likely to be another 1000 or so who have run 2.10-2.15, at least.

None of this is to diminish Paula’s achievements, but to highlight the enourmous discrepancy between men and women that Paula knows better than anyone. Good for her taking a stand, but she always has: remember her bravely being in the stand with “EPO cheats out” on a sign? Always stood up for fairness.

RMK retweeting someone suggesting Paula is guilty of doping

RMK retweeting someone suggesting Paula is guilty of doping

Of course they are. Pathetic.

^ I wasn’t for one moment suggesting Paula was guilty.

Doping? So a top female athlete who has also taken performance enhancing drugs still can't get anywhere near the men's times? It's almost as if the male body gives men a massive advantage over the female frame

Yes, even PROVEN women dopers in all events across all sports, still don’t get close to the men’s times/distances etc. Marion Jones, a confessed doper, has a 100m PB of 10.65s, still 0.16s below the women’s world record, held by the not-remotely suspicious Flo-Jo , and wouldn’t even make a men’s college team in the USA. But no, there’s no advantage of males over females .

In 2015, in the wake of revelations of widespread doping in athletics, Radcliffe said that, unlike some other prominent British athletes, she would not be releasing her blood-test history, and discouraged other athletes from doing so. She was later indirectly identified as a suspected doper by MP Jesse Norman during a parliamentary inquiry into blood doping. In response, Radcliffe issued a statement in which she "categorically denied" cheating in any form and said she has "nothing to hide". Shortly afterwards, her three suspect test results were leaked, though Radcliffe still refused to release her complete blood-test history. In late November 2015, the IAAF declared that the accusation were "based on the gross misinterpretation of incomplete data". The UK Anti Doping Agency, having received Radcliffe's blood test history via the IAAF, stated that "UKAD has come to the same conclusion as the IAAF review that there is no case to answer". It is likely that the first suspicious off-score was caused by faulty equipment. The third suspicious off-score was the direct result of an altitude training trip in Kenya with Mo Farah and other British athletes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Radcliffe#Doping_allegations

(Women's bodily blood levels vary over the course of a month, for some reason, and incomplete snapshots may suggest this is blood-doping.)

...And Jesse Norman is a shit.

Great news & v brave of Gabby.

I have a minor worry that we will be given sport as a "concession" and our side of the bargain (that will be enforced not agreed) will be all the other stuff is opened up to men (as it is at the moment, although I believe the prisons are having a think about locking up rapists with working penises with the women - very big of them).

I hope we can win sport and having got acceptance that men are in fact not women in this case, push it on through to other cases.

Also heartening are things like swim england saying they would look at their policy (of telling girls who didn't want to get naked in front of boys/men they were bigots and "re-educating" them).
Girl guiding is a nightmare though. My kids are guides / brownies. For girls it's so lovely for them to have some time away from men / boys. It's valuable. That is why we mustn't have it, of course. I suppose they have rolled back, from saying that any girls who did not identify with feminine stereotypes, would be asked to leave.

Anyway so much has gone already in theory, give it a couple of years once the creepy weirdos realise en masse what it means and then we will really start to see the effects.

tHE swim england guidance is STILL under review! Just checked.

I cant see SwimEngland coming to a rapid conclusion. They have a desperate problem with attracting visible ethnic minorities (no proble with East Europeans or Latin Americans along with East Asians) and swimming galas can appear surprisingly white. It is also a sport that can attract dodgy types, so is very aware of the need for constant vigilance and up to date safeguarding. Mixed changing rooms and the possibility of MtFs using female facilities and sharing rooms, would kill their recruitment efforts stone dead. Plus reduce female participation in leisure across the board.

And yay Gaby!

So they should come to a pretty rapid conclusion given the above.

But, no, as they need to find a way to let men and boys in with the women and girls.

IoC piece recently it was revealed that the inclusion of transwomen in womens sport was a foregone conclusion, they just had to put some kind of rules around it to try and look fair.

The fairness of it was never the question the IoC considered.

Have the people who lobbied the IoC for this approach got to people like swim england as well.

Yes, the IOC's attitude was jaw-dropping. Basically, men's sport is allowed to be competitive, women's sport is all about inclusion.

Anyway so much has gone already in theory, give it a couple of years once the creepy weirdos realise en masse what it means and then we will really start to see the effects.

Sadly it might have to come to this. When the people now mostly indifferent or pro-trans notice that their own young daughters/granddaughters/nieces/ they might at last open their eyes.
Or it might take one huge media-grabbing scandal equal to the Karen White case, but featuring not prisons (who cares after all about incarcerated women!) but maybe university students, then...

I believe Paula, Sharron d and Kelly h have written to the ioc, signed by 60 retired British athletes (including 20 gold medalists). There is a article in the Times about it focusing on Sharron d's part in it.