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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'It's vital children see people like me exist' (drag queen story time)

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PalatineUvula · 28/03/2019 11:38

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-47720808/drag-queen-story-time-connecting-kids-with-lgbtq-role-models-of-colour

The headline is interesting

'Drag Queen Story Time: connecting kids with LGBTQ+ role models of colour'

Surely, 'Drag Queen story Time' is not so much about connecting kids with LGBTQ+ role models of colour, as connecting kids solely with drag queens (T, possibly G, B or Q, definitely not L), who may or may not be 'of colour'.

They add 'Parents who took their children to the event loved it,'

Which makes sense, as the ones who wouldn't love it, obviously didn't take their children there....

This appears to be a normal looking man with a beard, when not in costume

creative50.mif.co.uk/people/the-nightbus/

It is not quite clear why young children need to learn about drag, in that at least in this case it seems to be very much an 'adult entertainment' pursued in bars and sex clubs, I am not really aware of a drive to bring nightlife to toddlers otherwise?

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LizzieSiddal · 28/03/2019 14:13

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TheDisillusionedAnarchist · 28/03/2019 14:18

One of our local libraries has drag queen story time, I did wonder what the point was. It is quite a woke area I suppose. We haven’t gone.

AssassinatedBeauty · 28/03/2019 14:19

It is not vital that young children see men in sexualised woman-face. Quite the opposite.

Blueblueyellow · 28/03/2019 14:40

Would a woman dress like this for story time and would people flock to see her?

No, no they wouldn't. Remember the woman Sasha Grey who did porn movies and she read to a class of elementry students in the US? She was wearing casual wear, imagine the backlash if she had of done it dressed up ?

Dinneratbreadsticks · 28/03/2019 18:46

What other nightlife cliques could or should host library storytime?

Punk storytime
Goth storytime
Northern soul storytime
Pole dancer storytime
Magic Mike storytime
Thrash metal storytime
Swingers storytime
80s coversband storytime

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 28/03/2019 18:48

So these kids never go to the Pantomime?

Justhadathought · 28/03/2019 18:57

The BBC is disappearing up its own arse in its bid to be relevant to a younger generation who don't want to pay a license fee for stuff they don't watch.

Also a high percentage of LGBT staff means that many gay men are now liberated & free to express and promote all of the stuff they like - such as drag and what may be perceived as sexual transgression. Porn and stuff.

zanahoria · 28/03/2019 19:15

Drag queen story telling is obviously a fantastic idea but we shouldn't stop there. Kids need to intereract with drag queens on daily basis, insisting on all teaching posts being filled by drag queens is obviously a no brainer but we also need drag queen au pairs, drag queen babysitters, drag queen lollipop ladies, drag queen dentists, drag queen football coaches, drag queen cats and dogs, etc. If parents really cared about their kids they would put them up for adoption and let them by raised by drag queens.

#dobetter

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 28/03/2019 19:15

They did mention the cases in the US where the ‘artists’ at library drag-anory did very sexualised dancing (don’t google or you will have nightmares) and the two who had convictions for paedophilia, right?

Cloven · 28/03/2019 19:17

It's vital that everyone pay attention to me. Including young children, the egocentric little brats. Everything should be all about me, all of the time. Sometimes I think about all the people who don't realise I exist, and it horrifies me that anyone should have to live their life in such a state of deprivation. Please contribute to the Me Fund, so that everyone in the world may be informed of my existence and I can continue to stave off my creeping existential emptiness with big stupid wigs and constant demands for validation. Thanks! It's for the children, you know!

DonaldTwain · 28/03/2019 19:22

Absolutely. Messed up little narcissist. Don’t need your sort near my kids, thanks. Fuck off.

pombear · 28/03/2019 19:25

By telling her stories, The Nightbus wants people to know how important it is for children to connect with LGBT role models of colour.

Hmm. So where's Nazirya who's a slightly pedestrian standard lesbian down the library reading stories? Why is it always just people like 'The Nightbus' (ie fairly sexualised and parodies of womanhood) who keep getting to represent LGBT role models of colour to children?

Why does Nightbus get a free pass to talk to children to connect with roles models. Nightbus photoshoot here:
twitter.com/QXMagazine/status/816642430040739841

(Somehow, Moria from Fife 'storming around a fairground' dressed the same is unlikely to get the same welcome from a local library event for children, eh? I'm guessing Kamini will not get a story on BBC news either for being bisexual?)

Yay! Hmm twitter.com/the_nightbus (Nightbus, I love your look. You do you. But I'm not sure that means it's vital that children see it!)

Yossarian22 · 28/03/2019 19:31

Zanahoria 😀 you’re on the tight track. All rather disturbing including his Facebook page.
Why anyone at the BBC would think this is anything remotely acceptable as a role model for children of any age is beyond me... unless they think all children have an inner Desmond waiting to be unleashed Confused .

FleetsumNJetsum · 28/03/2019 20:08

Queer theory: violating social norms in order to subvert power structures.

Why do young children have to connect with LGBT role models? Children are not yet sexual beings, they are children. Why do Drag Queens want to present themselves to young children? Reading stories??

Drag is an enjoyable adult entertainment. A sexualised adult entertainment. Not appropriate for children. This is grooming.

Yossarian22 · 28/03/2019 20:26

Queer theory sounds like it belongs in the sixth form. What will the proponents do when they finally grow up and realise life isn’t all about individual desires regardless of the cost to others.

ChattyLion · 28/03/2019 20:29

*I am not entirely sure why toddlers and young children need to see a man dressed as a caricature of womanhood.

If you want kids to get on board with 'you can wear whatever you like', it doesn't take drag artists to do it. A boy in pink leggings or heart patterned socks, a girl in camo print cargo shorts or fire engine print tshirt is not the same as a man with a beard in a ballgown, wig, a stuffed bra and lipgloss.*

Exactly- why do some want to sexualise or fetishise this perfectly good non-sexual message (‘wear whatever you want’) and in particular... when the audience for that message is kids?

ChattyLion · 28/03/2019 20:32

Apologies for format fail. I’d meant to say:

I am not entirely sure why toddlers and young children need to see a man dressed as a caricature of womanhood.
If you want kids to get on board with 'you can wear whatever you like', it doesn't take drag artists to do it. A boy in pink leggings or heart patterned socks, a girl in camo print cargo shorts or fire engine print tshirt is not the same as a man with a beard in a ballgown, wig, a stuffed bra and lipgloss.

Exactly- why do some want to sexualise or fetishise this perfectly good non-sexual message (‘wear whatever you want’) and in particular... when the audience for that message is kids?

pombear · 28/03/2019 20:57

I've reflected a bit more. Seriously, why does Nightbus get to talk to children when Nightbus champions this:
twitter.com/QXMagazine/status/816642430040739841

Reverse this.

Imagine if Sarah was a non-drag-queen woman posting these images. Just a bog-standard 'woman' walking around a fairground in those clothes.

Would that Sarah still get to tell everyone on twitter that Sarah went into a Festival and fired up the big imaginations of little children, without judgement?

Would all the 'woke' parents be happy with that Sarah, non-drag-queen, poster of the image above, sitting in storytime?

rightreckoner · 28/03/2019 21:02

It’s vital that children are exposed to men people like this. Vital

pombear · 28/03/2019 21:03

Ask yourselves (rhetorical question for many posters on FWR, but for the lurkers) would you still be championing that it's vital for the non-drag-bog-standard woman here that children need to see people like her?

twitter.com/QXMagazine/status/816642430040739841

If not. Why? Why is it vital for The Nightbus to be 'visible' but not boring-just a woman-Sarah-in-these-clothes in your local library?

truthisarevolutionaryact · 28/03/2019 21:11

It's simply eroding boundaries - aimed at very young children. Creepy as fuck!

pombear · 28/03/2019 21:14

I want to fucking see Rhona, who's female and who bucks female gender stereoptypes and whom people right now would think, looking at her, is 'trans' but is a just a woman who doesn't have long hair and eyelash extensions to do storytime.

I want to see Finn, who is a male, but who ticks many of the stupid 'genderbread' categories of woman, but know's he's male and breaks the categories anyway to do storytime

I want children to see that, regardless of your sex, you can present however you want, wear whatever you want, be whoever you want. (Including being like Nightbus when you're an adult). But that's not LGBTQI+. That's just being.

Your sexual orientation is not connected to the things you like to play with, or whether you like unicorns or glitter.

pombear · 28/03/2019 21:23

And yes, I recognise I'm grumpy-posting right now.

But we need to switch our 'thinking-hats' on.

To understand why it's only a certain strata of LGB ( ie the TQ ) that get access to platforms and glitter-spotlights right now.

Where are the boring LGB doing storytime? Why aren't they there?

Why?

People - put on your thinking hats!

Yossarian22 · 28/03/2019 21:39

I thought the Facebook page was disturbing enough, that link needs to come with a warning Pombear.
The BBC increasingly appears rotten to the core.

DarkAtEndOfTunnel · 28/03/2019 21:48

Libraries have lost all confidence in their own judgement nowadays and are just doing what they are told to do by central hqs. They'd get closed if they didn't and local staff would get ticked off or sacked. At one time libraries would have known sexual agendas are not appropriate for young children. Lack of professional judgement and knowledge of professional issues is helping all manner of vested, monied, interests wreck our society and our lives.