Vancouver activist Morgane Oger wins ‘landmark’ transgender rights decision

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Oh Canada. This is awful

www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/03/27/transgender-rights-upheld-in-landmark-decision.html

“I am really so happy, that in a tribunal, using the law, we finally put it down that someone publishing hateful material that says that a transgender woman is a man, got in trouble,” she said.

Trudeau has issues but he has nothing to do with what the BC Human Rights Tribunal does. Or even with BC Human Rights legislation.

I am gender critical but this case seems to be about a man trargetting a trans woman by distributing flyers riddled with accusations. It just seems on a whole different level to having a heated discussion with someone. I think the trans person was right to take action in the case.

Totally agree. TRAs are good at targeting actual hate and/or hateful people legally and then conflating them with people’s right to believe in biological reality while respecting differences in beliefs etc.

It's a strange world when you go to Kiwi Farms for a dose of reality and choice comment.

Trudeau has issues but he has nothing to do with what the BC Human Rights Tribunal does. Or even with BC Human Rights legislation

Worth being aware of key advisors:
2016 Randy Boissonnault, Member of Parliament for Edmonton Centre, has been named Special Advisor on LGBTQ2 issues.
pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/11/15/prime-minister-announces-special-advisor-lgbtq2-issues

2017 Independent article:
"Justin Trudeau's government continues to discriminate against transgender people. His apology means nothing
Although we acknowledge the recent trans legal gains to which the liberal government has contributed, we also denounce the lack of efforts to solve urgent issues that continue to affect the most precarious and stigmatised members of our community"
(extract)
"But we must not be so complacent as to position this apology as the crowning achievement or final destination for the entire LGBTQ2S community; it is just another chapter.

It may seem juvenile to reject an offer from a government trying to make amends after causing so much harm to so many LGBTQ2S people. But it is so important to rise to the challenge, and ask the hard questions: who is this apology for and for what political purposes? Who are we forgetting?

Although we acknowledge the recent trans legal gains to which the liberal government has contributed, we also denounce the lack of efforts to solve urgent issues that continue to affect the most precarious and stigmatised members of our community." (continues)
www.independent.co.uk/voices/justin-trudeau-lgbt-queer-transgender-apology-canada-government-crimes-cold-war-discrimination-a8084276.html

LGBTQ2S what's the 2S?

LGBTQ2S what's the 2S?

Two Spirit. I believe it's a cultural thing in Canada relating to Native Tribes (but of course co-opted and revised by the woke).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit

Two Spirit. I believe it's a cultural thing in Canada relating to Native Tribes (but of course co-opted and revised by the woke)

Ah, thank you.
This appropriation was criticised at the Vancouver Library event organised by Meghan Murphy in January:

Feminst Current:
"Fay Blaney spoke truth to power, shutting down any possibility of discrediting the independent, grassroots women’s movement. Blaney challenged the myth of numerous “genders” in Indigenous cultures, wielded by trans activists in order to justify post-modern, academic theories about “gender identity,” and claim them as “non-Western” for identity politics points. Blaney said, “There are people who are talking about how Indigenous nations had five genders. That’s absolute B.S." (continues)

www.feministcurrent.com/2019/01/11/vancouver-gender-identity-event-a-roaring-success-gidvpl/

from thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3479722-Lee-akeman-Vancouver-Jan-2019

Came here to post the link to the judgment but I see others have got there first.

Whatcott is no friend to feminism. The flyers are not just wrong (he talks about GENDER, not sex, as God-given - i.e. conform to your sex stereotypes because God ordained them - the opposite of feminism) but also clearly targeted Oger in a way that was unlawful under Canadian law. From an initial reading I think the court was right to find against him, and that's regardless of my views on Oger.

People's feelings about themselves and their 'identity' has never been in question. I'm really not sure if this talk of having one's "existence denied" is down to wilful ignorance, or just plain stupidity. This line of thought does not pass the most simple tests of reason or rationality.

I read this recently on GenderCritical Reddit.

"I think when they say "you are invalidating my existence" they really mean it. The woman they "create", and are in love with, only exists through them putting certain types of clothing (makeup, affectations) on and presenting "her" to the world. If you see through "her" to him, "she" doesn't exist."

Which would explain how differentiating between male bodied people with a feminine gender identity and biological women determined to preserve their sex based safe spaces can feel like a "hateful" attack by someone "threatening your very existence".

Which would explain how differentiating between male bodied people with a feminine gender identity and biological women determined to preserve their sex based safe spaces can feel like a "hateful" attack by someone "threatening your very existence".

It's experienced as a "narcissistic injury"

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-legacy-distorted-love/201608/the-destructive-force-narcissistic-injury

This entire shit-show is a massive distraction
Can we get back to women's liberation?
And saving the EARTH?
Civil rights are still precarious
Systemic oppressions require deep and nuanced intersectionality
Not dogma and mantras

This news is very bad news.
Hate speech and hate crime? Define literal violence please
Free Speech and Free mind?

Slipping towards totalitarianism

stealthsquirrelnutkin ereshkigel I think the "you are denying my existence" trope, and the concept of "narcissistic injury", are important enough to start another thread. Otherwise people who are uninterested in Morgane will not find your excellent contributions.

I've created it:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3545726-how-to-understand-and-respond-to-youre-denying-my-existence-narcissistic-injury

Stating that "Oger is transgender and hence unfit for office" is reasonable to prohibit.

I agree with this. Its nothing to do with Oger being trans thats the problem with them being in office. It is however, that they are an abusive male, behaving excatly like abusive males tend to.

I agree with this. Its nothing to do with Oger being trans thats the problem with them being in office. It is however, that they are an abusive male, behaving excatly like abusive males tend to.

YY its the same obfuscation in prison policy, women's sports etc.

Being able to cite the allegation as a problem with 'transgender people' hides the specific issue with either an individual male or group of males whose actions /behaviours represent specific (previously identifyable) risks or threats to Safeguarding / Fairplay / opportunity etc

I think that saying someone is not for for a position or job BECAUSE they are transgender, actively campaigning against them BECAUSE they are transgender is discriminatory.

Being GC to me is not about that. Believing trans women are not women is not personally attacking a trans person for being trans. It’s stating objective reality. Same as thinking trans women should not compete against women in sport.