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Article in WSJ The Transgender War on Women

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MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 27/03/2019 07:25

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-transgender-war-on-women-11553640683?redirect=amp#click=t.co/zVevdROox0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.wsj.com/articles/the-transgender-war-on-women-11553640683?redirect=amp#click=t.co/zVevdROox0

Good article here by Abigail Shrier.

"the Equality Act would eliminate “women and girls as a coherent legal category worthy of civil-rights protection.” It would do so by redefining the category of “women” to include “women and those who say they are women”—which means women and people who aren’t women at all."

The comments are also interesting. Apparently a lot of people voted Trump in because of the Democrats position on this issue.

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zanahoria · 27/03/2019 07:46

She is doing sterling work over in the USA

www.wsj.com/articles/when-your-daughter-defies-biology-11546804848

DpWm · 27/03/2019 07:56

Shame it's behind a paywall.

MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 27/03/2019 08:01

Is it? I'm not a subscriber but read it all fine.

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TundraDweller · 27/03/2019 08:04

I can't read any more than the first couple of paragraphs - then asks you to subscribe

terfsandwich · 27/03/2019 08:05

I couldn't access it.

OldCrone · 27/03/2019 08:15

Try searching for the article and click on the link from Google rather than the link in the OP. Worked for me.

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 27/03/2019 08:21

Thanks, OldCrone. Will try that.

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 27/03/2019 08:23

Nope. Tried but it didn't work.

TurboTeddy · 27/03/2019 08:39

The Reddit link works.

DpWm · 27/03/2019 08:43

Ooh good work Nauticant

Ereshkigal · 27/03/2019 08:43

Read it on Reddit. Great article. Loved this line:

The Equality Act—so called because, to put it charitably, Democrats excel at branding

Iused2BanOptimist · 27/03/2019 08:47

The link from twitter worked for me.

twitter.com/going_upstream/status/1110705660012855296?s=21

Needmoresleep · 27/03/2019 09:04

Some good comments on Twitter

twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1082020092584448000?s=19

I am glad she focuses on the left's failings. I was told clearly, by a sensible affluent and educated woman that one of the reasons people voted Trump that they hoped he would disrupt the Democrats on policy issues like this. Her view, and we were in Chicago, was that too much Democratic policy came from horse trading with donors like the Pritzkers. Since then Democrats had focused on Trump's failings (many!) and not looked inwards. Trump could well be reelected.

And in the meantime women and girls are being thrown under the bus.

SignMeUp · 27/03/2019 18:10

By Abigail Shrier March 26, 2019 6:51 p.m. ET

It has become rightly fashionable to ridicule the idea of “safe spaces,” places where adults can hide and sulk like children avoiding ideas they find threatening. But women need actual safe spaces—not from intellectual challenge, of course, but from physical threat of harm from men. As a biological matter, most women are physically outmatched by men. Men are stronger and faster than we are, though we’re better able to tolerate pain and tend to live longer.

House Democrats introduced a bill this month that would outlaw safe spaces for women. The Equality Act—so called because, to put it charitably, Democrats excel at branding—purports merely to extend protections of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to people who are gay and transgender. Insofar as it would prohibit landlords from evicting tenants and employers from firing employees based on sexual orientation, it is no doubt long overdue.

But the bill goes further, proposing to prohibit discrimination based on “gender identity.” That claim directly competes with the rights of women and girls. Any biological males who self-identify as females would, under the Equality Act, be legally entitled to enter women’s restrooms, locker rooms and protective facilities such as battered-women’s shelters. This would put women and girls at immediate physical risk.

Because courts typically interpret Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 according to the provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, amending the latter would alter the understanding of the former. Biological boys who identify as girls would gain an instant entitlement to compete on girls’ teams in all 50 states. No more democratic discussion of accommodation, competing interest, sacrifice and fairness. No more debate about whether we should really allow girls’ scholarships and trophies to go to male athletes who were unable to excel on the boys’ teams. No more discussion about whether it’s right to allow, as we have, biological men to pick off championships in women’s and girls’ powerlifting, cycling, wrestling and running. These emergent public discussions would be locked away in a vault of civil rights.

Part of the reason women have been reluctant to object to these incursions into their hard-won rights has to do with embarrassment at acknowledging our biological differences, which some leading feminists have denied for years. But women are biologically different from men, as the chromosomes in every cell of our bodies readily testify. (How absurd that this is necessary to point out.) And one source of many of our physical differences resides in our glands.

Boys undergo a testosterone surge during puberty that is 10 to 40 times what girls experience, conferring lifetime physical advantages: vastly greater muscle mass, bone density, more fast-twitch muscle fiber, larger hearts and lungs—all things that provide absolute and unbridgeable advantage in strength and speed.

As long as women had their own safe spaces, such disadvantages never mattered much. But that may soon change. Not because women and men have changed, but because of the progressive left’s sudden rush to strip girls and women of separate facilities, sacrificing their rights to a group a notch or two higher on the intersectional pecking order. As Kara Dansky, media director of the Women’s Liberation Front, put it to me, the Equality Act would eliminate “women and girls as a coherent legal category worthy of civil-rights protection.” It would do so by redefining the category of “women” to include “women and those who say they are women”—which means women and people who aren’t women at all.

Activists typically counter this argument with the claim that men wouldn’t pose as men-who-believe-they-are-women unless they sincerely believed it. There are too many taboos, and the transgender life is too hard for anyone to want to fake it, they claim. But under the Equality Act, pretending to be transgender would sometimes be rational.

It doesn’t strain the human imagination to picture a male convict renaming himself “Sheila” and heading for the women’s prison. Nor would it surprise anyone if rapists began to “identify” as women—no physical alteration is required to change your gender identity—to gain free access to women’s showers. What pedophile wouldn’t want open access to girls’ bathrooms? And many a biological man with no place to sleep would prefer the quieter, gentler confines of a shelter for battered women to the dodgy enclosure of one for homeless men.

Are there sincere transgender people who ought to be accommodated with appropriate facilities? Of course. But their need, however real, doesn’t justify the immediate transfer of the hard-won rights of women and girls. No comparable sacrifice is asked of boys and men, who are unlikely to feel threatened by a biological woman in the restroom. No top male athletes are likely to lose competitions to biological women competing as men. Only women are made to sacrifice for the sake of this new “equality.” And what women and girls are being coerced to cough up isn’t an unfair privilege but a leveler they require. The bill is unlikely to become law while Republicans control the Senate or White House. But this isn’t the first time the Democrats have introduced the Equality Act, and it won’t be the last. It’s a proposal worth taking seriously because it provides a glimpse of the left’s willingness to sacrifice women and girls to those wolves in sheep’s clothing—transgender or not—who would take advantage of them.

RedToothBrush · 27/03/2019 18:21

But we are told that this effect is not important to British Politics and women who think like this have no place in the Greens, Labour or the Lib Dems.

Those saying that, do this at their peril and at the risk to all rights...

I've been saying this for some time.

Lazydaisies · 27/03/2019 18:28

Every time I read that absolute nonsense that no man will abuse the carte blanche of self id for exploitative purposes I shudder. The notion of this unnecessary burden that the predator would place on themselves by faking trans.

I am reminded of the many, many men who entered a seminary under the guise of life service to do God's will, studied for years, worked a lifetime as priests but had already abused their classmates before they continued on to abuse children over their entire lifetimes. I mean if many, many predators are willing to give up there lives and become priests to get easy access to victims then pretending to be trans is not remotely at that scale of intrusion. I am absolutely baffled that people still cannot see the lengths that predators are happy to go to to have easy access to victims.

ILuvBirdsEye · 27/03/2019 22:34

no man will abuse the carte blanche of self id for exploitative purposes - which idiot thinks this! Actually, they know full well this is not true. They just don't care.

7Days · 27/03/2019 22:56

I totally agree with the idea many people have voted for Trump because of the Democrats' insistance that material reality is wrong.
If they're wrong about something that every animal can recognise, what else are they wrong about?

I'm not talking extremely religious voters here, I'm t talking about ordinary middle of the road people. You don't need to have an advanced degree in supply side economics, or climate science, or foetal neurology, to know the difference between male and female.

The one thing that everyone knows innately is the thing democrats get wrong. The things they are right about are things that need a bit of expertise or at least a bit of faith in others expertise.

Weird how it happened like this.
Probably the Russians, up to no good as usual . Hmm

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 27/03/2019 23:13

Overall a good article. But I don't like the phase, lifetime physical advantages, relating to men. Women's bodies are adapted through female puberty to the essential task of having children. Our bodies are brilliant at fighting off disease and survive for longer. Our bodies are better at the things they need to be able to do.

I have often wondered in a world without men, would gymnastics and dance be the most celebrated sports to showcase our agility and flexibility.

Just speculating. But I imagine that a race of super intelligent cats, would for example be having jumping and acrobatic style sports rather than playing rugby.

BickerinBrattle · 28/03/2019 00:48

I do think it’s important to note those physical advantages men have though- they are what creates our “might makes right” society and the fundamental reason why we live in a male-ruled world. Quite simply, men can kill women with their bare hands, and women cannot do the reverse.

They know it, and we know it. It has to be acknowledged in order for change to occur.

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 28/03/2019 07:49

BickeringBattle, no problem at all with acknowledging that reality. I am 100% in favour of sex segregated sports. We are biologically a separate category and our bodies are different.

However two points

  • I wouldn't think of men as having physical advantages to women. They are bigger and stronger with more muscle mass. However our bodies are perfect as they are.
  • I wouldn't want to accidentally retreat into any narrative about women being weak or feeble. For sure we don't have as much upper body strength but our bodies can do amazing things. I think women have often been encouraged to think of themselves as less physically capable than they really are. Society has encouraged or even forced them into actions that reduce their physical capabilities like footbinding, corsets, excessive dieting and high heels.
birdsdestiny · 28/03/2019 07:52

Is it it wrong that I have drifted off into imagining a world populated by super intelligent catsSmile

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 28/03/2019 10:58

Nope. I have an amazing kitten and she is super acrobatic and can jump amazing heights.

She wouldn't beat me in an arm wrestling match. But my body isn't better than her body is. It's just biologically different and adapted to do different things.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 28/03/2019 11:42

I wouldn't think of men as having physical advantages to women. They are bigger and stronger with more muscle mass. However our bodies are perfect as they are.

I wouldn't want to accidentally retreat into any narrative about women being weak or feeble. For sure we don't have as much upper body strength but our bodies can do amazing things. I think women have often been encouraged to think of themselves as less physically capable than they really are.

I know what you are saying and I agree with your point, but I think you are misinterpreting women who say that "Women are weaker than men" as thinking that it means something other than they are less physically strong in terms of the body's strength in a sport scenario or fight scenario, or lifting heavy things.

Women can do everything that men can do if that involves using your brain. If it involves physical strength and stamina, they can do it about 75-90% as well as men can do it (as a class).

All women (as a class) can't do at all is produce sperm. What men can't do at all is grow a human. Sperm is cheap, we only need a handful of men to repopulate the entire world, but we'd need hundreds of millions of women to do it.

Women's bodies are far more impressive and capable of much more amazing things than men's are. I am not negating that by saying that in sports (designed by men to showcase the prowess of men) and in physical fights between men and women that men have an advantage. Men are "superior" in that one area (well, two, that and sperm production).

Other than that, the world could function pretty well with a handful of men to assist with reproduction, and billions of women doing absolutely everything else.

So whose worth to society is more? Which sex has more utility? Women's.

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