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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Man sexually assaults woman in women's bathroom, then runs off to Google 'transgender bathroom laws'

42 replies

PalatineUvula · 27/03/2019 02:35

From the 'that didn't happen' department:

www.wave3.com/2019/03/25/man-arrested-after-allegedly-inappropriately-grabbing-woman-walmart-restroom/

"Clarksville police say a woman was washing her hands when a man came up behind her out of a stall and grabbed her inappropriately."

"she was able to elbow him in the chest and got away, she ran to find a manager."

"The victim described the suspect and Walmart employees found him in the store. That’s when Brown had some questions for store managers. He wanted to know why there wasn’t a transgender restroom at the Walmart."

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JessicaWakefieldSVH · 27/03/2019 09:27

R0wantrees

I mean, I understand how hard it is to moderate forums like this.... but this is quite disturbing, to remove a thread about a male sexually assaulting a woman at her place of work because it looks ‘inflammatory’ is very very alarming to me. If this gets removed I’ll be seriously questioning the motives here.

R0wantrees · 27/03/2019 10:12

I mean, I understand how hard it is to moderate forums like this.... but this is quite disturbing, to remove a thread about a male sexually assaulting a woman at her place of work because it looks ‘inflammatory’ is very very alarming to me

context MN FWR is 'monitored' & Safeguarding /Women's rights discussions are sometimes mischaracterised:

December 2018 Vice article By Eve Livingston,
'How an Online Forum for Moms Became a Toxic Hotbed of Transphobia'
(extract)
But if, as Roberts and Pedersen assert, the community’s influence is a result of its engaged membership, Mumsnet finds itself at the political whims of a very particular membership base. When it comes to Mumsnet’s reputation for transphobia, it seems that the very demographics to which Pedersen attributes its success may have resulted in an especially narrow vision of womanhood—one that specifically excludes trans women.

Since 2016, Mumsnet—specifically its Feminism board—has increasingly found itself on the receiving end of criticism from trans people and their allies. “When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.” (continues)

In March of this year, Mumsnet was used to organize against Girlguiding’s trans-inclusive membership policy in collaboration with anti-self identification campaign group Fair Play For Women. Users also responded to Gender Recognition Act proposals that would allow trans people to self-identify with protests such as Man Friday, a campaign that encourages cis women “identify as men on Fridays" and partake in male behaviours like “manspreading and mansplaining” or to access single sex male spaces such as changing rooms, swimming facilities, or sports clubs.

“It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet* (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.” (continues)

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3444548-Vice-how-an-online-forum-for-moms-became-a-toxic-hotbed-of-transphobia

LizzieSiddal · 27/03/2019 10:20

But women never sexually assault other women in the toilets.

Is they’re something rather strange about this particular woman?

theOtherPamAyres · 27/03/2019 13:32

The best bit of the story was how he ran to the store's IT department to quickly look up a possible defence or mitigating circumstances via google.

It's obvious, isn't it?

"Your worships, I am a woman. Women spend a lot of time in toilets helping each otehr to adjust their bras, as you would know if you were a woman like me. I approached the complainant and noticed that one breast appeared to be lower than the other. Naturally and without a second thought, I rearranged her breasts accordingly. She didn't even thank me. I am the victim here".

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 27/03/2019 13:36

I mean, I understand how hard it is to moderate forums like this.... but this is quite disturbing, to remove a thread about a male sexually assaulting a woman at her place of work because it looks ‘inflammatory’ is very very alarming to me

Don't forget that MN moderating policies mean that you don't have to have an MN account to report a post. Nor do you have to have an account to respond to MN's survey about moderating, which contains a question about how happy you are with moderating on trans threads.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 27/03/2019 13:41

AstonishedFemalePersonator

Really? Wtf?! We need a new GC forum ffs

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 27/03/2019 13:44

Really sorry I haven't RTFT but looked at link, WTF does "she did all the right things a victim should do" mean?!!! And the comment that she was working hard, relevance?????!

Jesus.

But yeah, it probably didn't happen. Confused

Going to RTFT now

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 27/03/2019 14:24

Really? Wtf?! We need a new GC forum ffs

Yes, absolutely. That is why I filled out the survey and in every text box I wrote "Sorry, MN, but your moderating policy sucks".

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 27/03/2019 14:47

I just saw on another thread that the survey is now closed because it had been open since Friday and MN had got enough responses.

Nothing to do with a message on Twitter alerting TRAs to the survey. Nope. Nothing at all. Nothing to see folks; move along.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 27/03/2019 14:54

It’s ludicrous for MN to have a survey about moderating open to non-members. It’s almost like they don’t care about their actual members...

R0wantrees · 27/03/2019 15:03

I just saw on another thread that the survey is now closed because it had been open since Friday and MN had got enough responses.

Really?
FGS I had just come to find the link having seen it being promoted by some TRAs on Twitter to complete.

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 27/03/2019 15:04

It’s almost like they don’t care about their actual members...

And how odd that they had a question about moderating on trans threads...

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 27/03/2019 15:06

Really?
FGS I had just come to find the link having seen it being promoted by some TRAs on Twitter to complete.

There was a message from MNHQ saying that they had closed the thread because it had been open since Friday and they had all the responses they needed.

Uh hunh. I believe you, MN. Millions wouldn't, but I do.

Ereshkigal · 30/03/2019 08:44

The best bit of the story was how he ran to the store's IT department to quickly look up a possible defence or mitigating circumstances via google.

YY. How blatant can you be?

MenuPlant · 30/03/2019 10:05

I think the lovely woman in the newspaper article is being subject to horrific oppression.

  1. MISGENDERED in the article multiple times. This is literal violence. They need to sue
  2. Questionmarks raised over whether they are "really" female due to appearance. Women look different to each other. Women should not have to appear to stereotype enforced by patriarchy. Women can wear trousers! And have shaved heads. And also, be allowed to go topless, as men are!! This woman is obviously a major feminist activist, and as such should get the support of feminists, going out without a top on
  3. Everyone knows that women are very touchy feely and often get quite frisky in all female situations like toilets, showers, sleepovers (they like to hit each other with pillows at these if they are american) and multiple other contexts that are frequently seem on the internet. Likelihood is the "accuser" is regretful of her actions and lying, as women often lie about sexual assault, well some women do, another type of woman always tells the truth, I don't need to explain which is which, everyone knows, like the brave stunning progressive feminist activist in the picture is going to be the sort who tells the truth.

If by a miscarriage of justice they are incarcerated, I am sure the lives of the women in with them will be enriched by her presence. Maybe they will learn a thing or 2 and feminsm and also strong proud female sexuality.

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