What rights don't trans people have?

[Janie143]

[https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1108042845406052352.html]

A succinct Twitter thread saying what has been said many times before

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1108042845406052352.html

That thread is it in a nutshell.

Very well written. I liked the point about why should transwomen have acces to womens spaces, when other vulnerable men don’t.

There are no rights of which any so-called "transitioner is deprived:

Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

UK Human Rights Act 1998:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1

"Trans Rights" are Human Rights and for males who "transition" they are separate from Women's Rights, as intended by international and UK law.

Been asking that myself.

Honestly can't find anything they are denied as a group - apart from being believed that they have changed sex.

Collusion in delusion is not a human right.

Universal Women's Rights are expressed here:

www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/text/econvention.htm

[they do not apply to any male regardless of how they choose to express themselves, be they autogynephile or otherwise]

[they do not apply to any male regardless of how they choose to express themselves, be they autogynephile or otherwise] Absolutely..... but when the State creates the legal fiction that men can be treated as women/are wonen those rights are meaningless

it sounds far-fetched, bu I think it's this one:

Article 3, Human Rights Act 1998:

No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

We have seen how trans validation activists have pushed the criminla law to its limits, in pursuit of opposition to 'gender identity'. That project is failing badly.

We know that the trans "rights" lobby is looking out for appropriate cases to test the civil law.

Is it inhuman and degrading to be refused admission to female spaces?

Is it inhuman and degrading to have to serve your prison sentence alongside men, when you believe yourself to be a woman?

Testing the civil law is not like picking up the phone to the police and starting a prosecution at taxpayer's expense. I don't think you get legal aid, either.

I think you might be on to something there theOtherPamAyres

So weren’t female spaces set up to protect females from inhuman , degrading experiances in the first Place?

Isn't the push to have self id to do with privacy, so you can quickly get a GRC and not have to disclose your sex, just your acquired gender?

I've always wondered this, whenever you ask TRAs what rights they don't have the only answer is "Trans Rights are Human Rights" they will never articulate exactly what rights they feel they are being denied. That thread is an excellent thread, clear and succinct.

Also, the other mantra they spout of "denying Trans exist" they never say what they mean by this ludicrous statement.

I suspect that they never answer challenges to either of those statements not because they can't but because they don't want to as as soon as they let everyone know what it is they really want the lid will blow off the whole insidious agenda and everyone will see it for what it truly is. They know they can only achieve what they want by shutting down debate and scrutiny with threats and draconian measures whilst simultaneously imposing things by stealth under the cover of 'progressive' and 'liberal'.

"denying Trans exist" is also a weird one. For a start, ti's all the trans people I know go on about, there's no possibility of not knowing they are trans.

Which leads onto the notion of "outing" - that confuses me. It is always obvious, maybe not on the occasional FTM on FB images, or definitely trans women who are from Asian background and have fine bone structure, but, in real life in my office? I always know.

"denying Trans exist"

It goes even further than this. I can't be the only one who has been accused of wanting the planet to be rid of trans people. I've been accused of wanting them dead.

You can see what's going on here because we've become used to the hyperbole, exaggeration, spin, twisted arguments, projection and DARVO. They are attempting to frame opposition as akin to ethnic cleansing.

All the human rights stuff from Trans Validation supporters has been based on false narratives - about murders, assaults, suicides and society's desire to push them to the margins or exterminate them.

The guff about nazis, right-wing funding and hate-filled opponents tries to bolster the narrative of oppression, torture and extermination.

For a long time, the narrative worked - especially in front of the Parliamentary Inquiry into Transgender Equality (2016).

And then the narrative was dismantled piece by piece by the likes of Mumsnet.

There aren't any rights they don't have, unless they are natal females. Then they don't have human rights, just like other women don't have human rights.