The 'aren't women who can't reproduce women then?!' argument

[DaiStation]

So I've officially peaked and I'm really, really angry. Women's sport, lesbians on chairs and Susie Green trying to argue she didn't castrate her child have pushed me over the edge.

I've been trying to find evidence for the idea that no disadvantage exists for natal women competing with trans women - there fucking isn't any. I watched the lesbians on chairs video crying, it reminded me of the scene with Emily at immigration in Handmaid's tale - all 1st world country, following procedure, stamping on the face of women's rights. I'm fucking appalled by what happened to that child and the kids in the states - KIDS - having their bodies mutilated because they don't conform to gender 'norms' which are fucking social constructions and not some kind of innate feeling I mean wtaf is this shit?!

But the female biology thing got me thinking. I've read a lot of crit about the idea that women are the sex capable of bearing children, because some women obviously cant, amd some intersex people are born with female genitalia but no womb etc etc. And then I though about all the i fertile women throughout history who'be been - and who are - having the shit kicked out of them and being killed for exactly this reason, and shamed/subject to invasive questioning in our culture for exactly this reason. Which again speaks to our biology as the tool of our oppression right? Or am I wrong?

Anyway that was cathartic. Exhale.

There are so many analogies one can use to show why trans analogies re: infertile women are wrong. I have seen all of theirs, ie. "are women pre menarche/post menopause/post hysterectomy still women then?" if you bring up a uterus, or fertility, or childbearing.
The fact is woman is the half of the species than can bear children, individual exceptions or a time of one's life where one can't being irrlevant.

Useful analogies: "People have ten fingers and toes". If you lose a finger or toe, or are born with an extra finger or toe, you are still human; or it does not disprove the rule that people are born with ten fingers and toes.
"People have two legs and two arms". "Oh no what if you are born without them or lose one in an accident, are you saying someone isn't human?!" Of course not, but the general rule is, most people have two arms and legs.

Exceptions prove the rule. Most women go through 30 or so years of fertility where they are able to bear children. Men do not.

Sorry I realize this didn't speak directly to your post - anyway I feel like the trans dislike speaking to this because they have no clue what it means, to spend 30 years of one's life having to deal with one's reproductive system in such a way; trying not to get pregnant, basically. I've seen pregnant 13 year olds and pregnant 50 year olds. The implications never end. I have had a Catholic pharmacist here in the US refuse me medication because it might cause a birth defect in the baby I was not pregnant with (I am almost 50) and I had to fight for my life saving medication. I am no longer fertile, but I am presumed to be fertile because i am female so it doesn't matter.

They don't get this, all the things you go through because you can (presumably) become pregnant. Then of course if you can't you are treated like a freak too.

When thousands upon countless thousands of female babies are aborted simply for being female no one stops and questions if some of them might be infertile, or might choose not to have children because it simply doesn't matter. It matters that they are biologically female. Male babies don't get aborted because they might be trans, because they are biologically male and so have privilege.
Female biology impacts on women from before birth and carries on impacting on women throughout their lives however much some people would like to pretend it doesn't.

I was really concerned that Penny Mordaunt seemed to be taking a step down that road in her recent MN webchat.

#Don'tHijackMyHysterectomy

I think the terms fertility is often mistakenly used when they mean fecundity anyway.

Female is of the sex that produces ova. Doesn't matter whether we get them fertilised or not.

It's just unbelievable (well actually it's not anymore) the offensive lengths the trans debate is going to, to try and crowbar biological males into the definition of the word 'woman'.

Its a truly horrendous argument.

Look, some women can't have children. If you say men are not women then these women are not women either!

Tends to go hand in hand with 'saying male people should not access female spaces is exactly like saying black people have to sit at the back of the bus' and other such vile arguments.