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DES & FTM: taking Diethylstilbestrol in pregnancy led to feminisation of the fetal brain?

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MsTiggywinkletoyou · 21/03/2019 18:20

Was DES much used in the UK in the 1970s and before, as a treatment for miscarriage? It's not something I've seen discussed much here, but I know US women's health advocates were very aware of it. DES daughters are known to have fertility problems, and DES sons may exhibit AGF at a higher rate than others. The hormone is also linked to disorders of sexual development generally, as well as brain changes.

desdaughter.com/2014/03/01/the-link-between-des-exposure-and-mtf-transsexuality/

There seem to be very high rates of gender-related psychological problems too, to the point where quite a few of the DES sons I’ve chatted with online over the last year identify fully as women and have undergone reassignment
desinfo411.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/des-son-speaks-about-damage-keeplillyhonest/

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MIdgebabe · 21/03/2019 18:24

YOur title is at odds with your post

You can’t feminize a brain as there is no female brain

There could be a link between mental issues and drugs used in pregnancy. BUT the drug can’t make a female brain as it doesn’t exist

SpeakUpXXWomen · 21/03/2019 19:58

You want to read The Gendered Brain OP, it will give you science based knowledge that brains are unique not male/female.

OldCrone · 21/03/2019 20:23

This has been discussed on here before

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3437444-DES-Exposure-in-Males-Link-to-Transgenderism

llangennith · 21/03/2019 20:23

I took stilbestrol in the 70s to dry up excessive milk production after stopping breastfeeding.
These days it's been shown to cause breast cancer in future generations.

VickyEadie · 21/03/2019 20:25

Alternative title for a thread: latest straw clutched at by TRAs...

OldCrone · 21/03/2019 20:29

This is what I wrote on the other thread.

The link to gender identity does not seem very strong. I have only managed to find one study, not peer reviewed, by Scott Kerlin. Based on a self-selected sample of 300 men with confirmed prenatal DES exposure, 90 reported being transsexual/transgender/gender dysphoric. These are people who joined a support group because they had physical or psychological issues which they thought might be due to DES exposure before birth.

It is estimated that 3-5 million American women took this drug between 1948 and 1971 as well as being widely prescribed in Canada, Europe and Australia. Around half the babies born to these women would have been boys, so 300 is a very small sample to draw any conclusion. Especially as those who had no medical or gender identity issues would not have joined the support group.

There does seem to be a link between exposure in utero and cancer, particularly in women.

MsTiggywinkletoyou · 21/03/2019 22:58

Yes I want to read The Gendered Brain. It's on my list. I agree I chose a poorly worded title for this thread. It looks like the subject of DES was given a good FWR going-over less than six months ago, so thanks OldCrone for pointing me towards it.

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