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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Live stream session with GenderGP on 31st March

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EweSurname · 21/03/2019 11:49

Date for your diaries

GenderGP
‏*@GenderGP*
“IF YOUR CHILD SAYS THEY’RE TRANSGENDER, THEY PROBABLY ARE”

Join us for a Q&A livestream on 31.3.19 discussing affirmative #healthcare for #trans youth.

Guest panelist’s:
Dr Helen Webberley
Dr Johanna Olson-Kennedy
Aydin Olson-Kennedy
Darlene Tando

➡️ gendergp.co.uk/liveonlineevent/

Live stream session with GenderGP on 31st March
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NeurotrashWarrior · 21/03/2019 12:31

Jesus.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/03/2019 12:34

Dangerous thinking. Confused

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/03/2019 12:50

What if my child says she is a cat ?
I hope there will be some vets to help

EverardDigby · 21/03/2019 12:53

I used to insist I was a boy. I wasn't.

OldCrone · 21/03/2019 12:58

Helen Webberley is currently suspended from practising as a doctor in the UK.

On twitter she describes herself as:
#Transgender advocate and Gender Specialist at @GenderGP. Free advice for gender queries: [email protected]

No mention that she has been suspended. Do the GMC know about this?

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/03/2019 12:59

Yes old. I was wondering if this is even legal

Melroses · 21/03/2019 13:25

Weren't they going to set up in Spain, (or Scotland Confused)?

Is this the relaunch?

heresyisthenewblack · 21/03/2019 13:34

They're livestreaming with Americans, right?
So maybe Webberley is trying to get herself into the US market.

Is she aiming to emulate anti-vaxxer and discredited British physician Andrew Wakefield, who went to the USA and now has a platform there? Only time will tell.
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/18/how-disgraced-anti-vaxxer-andrew-wakefield-was-embraced-by-trumps-america

(As an aside, isn't it strange that both anti-vaccination theories and what's happening with children who are labelled transgender have some sort of connection with autism?)

EweSurname · 21/03/2019 13:34

That seems suspect, that she can advertise herself as being actively involved with GenderGP whilst being suspended. Archived just in case it's deleted

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190321133242/twitter.com/MyWebDoctorUK" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190321133242/twitter.com/MyWebDoctorUK

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OldCrone · 21/03/2019 14:16

Could someone on twitter alert Health Inspectorate Wales @HIW_Wales, who prosecuted her for illegally providing online healthcare services? They might be interested in this.

hiw.org.uk/news/onlinegpprosecution?lang=en

email: [email protected]

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/03/2019 17:23

And Sandyford services in Glasgow where they are apparently setting up a new private clinic?

Which seems odd. On account of her being fined for running an unregistered clinic in Wales.

OldCrone · 31/03/2019 11:48

This is on at 3pm today.
www.facebook.com/events/1230705133773682/

NineReasons · 31/03/2019 15:04

The livestream is now starting, anyone watching?

JackyHolyoake · 31/03/2019 15:37

I am watching it .. and the confusion these people have about sex and gender is astonishing.

CottonDuvet · 31/03/2019 20:48

From the GenderGP website linked via Facebook:

Medical Advice
All medical advice and prescriptions are provided by doctors who work outside of the UK. Due to concerns about transphobia amongst some UK institutions and historic cases of regulatory investigation of UK doctors who offer gender-affirming care, we feel that gender specialists from countries that understand the informed consent model of care are safer for you as a patient, and for the doctors that provide you care.
All doctors who provide medical services are regulated in their own country and have necessary regulation, training, regulation and insurance to cover their work.

Do you mean, Dr Webberley, that Affirmative care is so overwhelmingly safe, good Medical Advice
All medical advice and prescriptions are provided by doctors who work outside of the UK. Due to concerns about transphobia amongst some UK institutions and historic cases of regulatory investigation of UK doctors who offer gender-affirming care, we feel that gender specialists from countries that understand the informed consent model of care are safer for you as a patient, and for the doctors that provide you care.
All doctors who provide medical services are regulated in their own country and have necessary regulation, training, regulation and insurance to cover their work.

That's going to end well, Helen. Talk about lack of insight and integrity! Hoping that the GMC are keeping tabs on what you are doing, cos saying that investigations are historic, when they are actually current is being economic with the truth.

Chiochan · 31/03/2019 20:57

'Informed consent' - sounds great dosen't it. Those two words - 'informed' and 'consent'.

Funny how 'you cant sue' (which is what informed consent actually means) doesn't sound quite as comforting.

Chiochan · 31/03/2019 20:59

And anyone promoting 'you cant sue' as better for the patient is a liar.

pombear · 31/03/2019 21:02

I dipped in briefly - it's amazing that these medics constantly, explicitly and happily contradict themselves.

In one section HW and JOK are all about 'you have to listen to the child about what they want and when they want it' in terms of irreversible medical intervention. The children know best'. (ie, mastectomy, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones).

But then later, when asked whether they treat 'non-binary' people (answer, yes, to help them in how they 'wear' their gender. Yes, testosterone to help you ''wear' you gender! Maybe we could all get a touch of prescibed coke to 'wear' our personalities a certain way?) they say that 'everyone's gender-fluid, even 'cis'gender people, it's always changing'.

Eh? Those two statements don't align. How can you take as given a child's determination that they are a different sex, medicate and perform surgery on them.

Only to say that 'we're all gender-fluid' throughout our lives?

Oh, and also the idelogical-bollocks and window-dressing that is 'the trans child's developmental pathway'. If this was a natural developmental pathway - it wouldn't need drugs and surgery, would it?

None of this stands up to rational investigation. No wonder #nodebate was in force for so long.

OldCrone · 31/03/2019 21:31

The video is here if anyone wants to watch it.
www.facebook.com/gendergp/videos/587005788464364/

EweSurname · 31/03/2019 23:02

I haven't watched it yet but thought this was interesting re: informed consent. From the women and equalities select committee transgender report:

  1. A number of witnesses argued for the “informed-consent model”, which is said to be used by some private providers of gender-reassignment / confirmation treatment in the USA. This entails imposing a minimum of clinical preconditions for treatment, on the basis that if the patient is able to give informed consent their wishes should be treated as paramount.206

  2. Counter-arguments to this approach focus on: the requirement on clinicians to observe established clinical, professional and ethical standards (including those set by WPATH); and the need to ensure that finite NHS resources are spent appropriately and effectively. In addition, the informed-consent only model is not used in any other area of practice within the NHS.207

And

  1. Many people now favour the adoption instead of a model involving only the granting of informed consent, which is said to be used by some providers of private care in the USA.

  2. However, we are unconvinced of the merits of the proposed informed consent only model. While there is a clear case for the granting of legal gender recognition on request, with the minimum of formalities, this approach is less appropriate for a medical intervention as profound and permanent as genital (reassignment / reconstructive) surgery. Clinicians do have a responsibility to observe ethical and professional standards, including their duty of care towards patients. In this particular area of medicine, appropriate practice also entails paying due regard to the internationally recognised guidelines of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health.

In addition, clinicians practising in the NHS have a duty to ensure that the service’s finite resources are spent appropriately and effectively. All of the foregoing obligations are incompatible with simply granting on demand whatever treatment patients request.

  1. The issues that exist around clinical protocols must instead be addressed through the consistent application of clear and appropriate standards across the Gender Identity Clinics. The situation described to us by Dr John Dean, Chair of the NHS National Clinical Reference Group for Gender Identity Services, whereby “there is not a standard approach or a standard training in how the guidelines are interpreted”, is clearly unacceptable and must change.

  2. The Protocol and Service Guideline must make explicit the right of patients to be fully involved in their treatment and to exercise full personal autonomy in respect of their gender identity and presentation. It must be stipulated that treatment criteria are to be exercised flexibly case-by-case on that basis.

  3. Assessment prior to treatment must be undertaken in order to meet clinically necessary criteria regarding the patient’s diagnosis, ability to consent to treatment and physical and mental) fitness for treatment. The requirement to undergo “Real-Life Experience” prior to genital (reassignment / reconstructive) surgery must not entail conforming to externally imposed and arbitrary (binary) preconceptions about gender identity and presentation. It must be clear that this requirement is not about qualifying for surgery, but rather preparing the patient to cope with the profound consequences of surgery

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmselect/cmwomeq/390/390.pdf

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