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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lewisham Labour mayor bans WNTT event

42 replies

VeniceAllan · 20/03/2019 13:26

The Labour Mayor of Lewisham has refused to allow a We Need To Talk panel event of black women discuss race and gender to take place on council premises.

Details in the petition link. Please sign and share!

chng.it/YtzSJ42cLp

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Foottunnel · 20/03/2019 23:42

Jesus - what a mess the Labour Party has become. Signed.

heresyisthenewblack · 21/03/2019 11:14

Bump.

Janie143 · 21/03/2019 11:37

Signed, shared and donated

VeniceAllan · 21/03/2019 12:43

Thank you so much for everyone who has signed, hoping to get to 1000 signatures by the end of today!

Re donations, does anyone know what those are for? Do change.org promote the petition more if they get donations? I just want everyone to know that the donations don't come to me or WNTT! But thanks for the amazing support, I really hope it forces the Mayor to reconsider.

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Ereshkigal · 21/03/2019 13:27

Done and donated for sharing with more people. Venice, yes I think they display it to people that might be interested after they sign other petitions and email them links.

samsamsamsamsamsam · 21/03/2019 15:16

Happy to sign! nearly at 1000 now.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 21/03/2019 15:24

bump

VeniceAllan · 21/03/2019 17:44

Woohoo just hit 1000! Wine

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littlbrowndog · 21/03/2019 17:57

And the mayor is racist and sexist

heresyisthenewblack · 22/03/2019 11:06

Bump

R0wantrees · 22/03/2019 12:51

The proposed event, We Need To Talk About Race and Gender, is a panel discussion with Linda Bellos OBE, Danielle McDonald from The Deptford People Project and anti-racism campaigner, Sara Myers, who will all discuss how the concepts of race and gender impact BAME women.

this was the statement that The Depford People Project made prior to The House of Commons 'We Need to Talk' meeting last year:
www.facebook.com/lubelluledotcom/posts/10156110925077980
(extract)
"Statement from Working class community workers from Deptford.
We are attending the women’s meeting at the House of Commons today. We would like to offer an explanation as to why this is necessary.

After many years of working at grass roots within our community we have recently been made aware of an issue that directly effects the working class and women in our area. The changes to the Gender Recognition Act will allow birth certificate changes without transition. We are an LGBTQ supporting group and we have concerns about how these changes will impact women only safe spaces.
We have never and will never support hate...

The majority of our recent projects have been working with rough sleepers, the homeless and those that have been excluded from society. The issues they face include: unsupported/ mental health illness, sexual violence and prostitution, childhood trauma and abuse, domestic violence, poverty, ex care system issues, addiction, prison, rehab, homelessness and austerity.
The people in our community that we represent are the most likely to access/ be placed in sex segregated services. Some have and will access all sex segregated services mentioned.

Our local political and community organisations have been infiltrated by a group of well meaning white middle class Goldsmiths (uni) students. These people although well intentioned have rail roaded many vital projects by introducing identity policies and intersectional thinking without truly understanding or experiencing working class issues.

Meetings we have attended for the purpose of discussing community housing projects and women’s wellness etc have been used as a platform to re educate working class people on the new academic language expected within our organisations.
As anyone from a working class back ground will tell you, these theories and ideologies rarely translate into working class communities.

The extremely small number of transsexual (I use the old term as this has a very different meaning to the university umbrella term currently thrown about) member of the community are and have always been accepted and protected.
However we have now been informed that transgender people are being routinely abused (mis gendered) and should be protected above all other marginalised groups. We can see that all that has actually changed is privileged mainly white students have adopted a set of gender identities that allow them to be considered marginalised. The people we encountered were far from marginalised. In fact they were highly educated, openly classist and aggressive.

This new politics doesn’t equate in our community or for the people we support. We are dealing with working class issues with severely marginalised people and the trans lobby is a gentrification of working class social and political movements. Note the difference between trans lobby and trans people.

No one will discuss our concerns regarding self identification. Our local Labour Party has refused to comment or debate with the working class community. We are attending the meeting this evening as this is only place that is willing to discuss theses issues.
When we are being verbally abused and called fascists and phobic because we are concerned about the effects of policy change on marginalised people it is a direct attack on working class women and grass roots organisations.

So please when you share information about this eventand attempt to shut it down be aware that you are complicit in the silencing of not only women but working class people who have not afforded the privileged of a safe space or university education."

VeniceAllan · 26/03/2019 11:50

www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2019/03/panel-of-black-female-speakers-refused-by-lewisham-council-due-to-fears-of-violence/

Good article in local blog, especially as it's based at Goldsmiths!

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VeniceAllan · 26/03/2019 11:51

Petition is now at 1700 signatures! Thanks so much to everyone who has signed x

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TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 27/03/2019 21:37

What a ridiculous reason..you cannot meet here as you are targetted by violent MRAs occasionally?!

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 27/03/2019 21:39

At one WNTT organised event at Speakers Corner in Hyde Park in September 2017, called over planned changes to the Gender Recognition Act, a 60-year-old woman claimed she was assaulted by a 23-year-old trans activist.

Claimed?! There was video proof, and the MRA was actually prosecuted..

MorbidMuch · 27/03/2019 21:59

Ive only just seen this. Signed and shared.

BigFrieze · 03/04/2019 10:14

Venice, are you planning to hand the petition to Egan at the next full council meeting? Not sure when this is, but at that meeting they're bringing a motion to full council "supporting trans rights & the principle of self definition" so the timing would be good - twitter.com/lewishamlabour/status/1105881469166239746

The public are also entitled to submit questions to council ahead of the meeting, so would be good to raise some questions to the Mayor about the motion, and also to get a group of women to attend as there's a public gallery - looks like there are a few Lewisham women who've commented on this thread, not sure whether they'd be happy to do this? I'm a Lewisham resident and happy to get involved with this if enough support can be garnered?

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