Trans kids at single sex schools

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What happens to trans kids if they go to single sex schools? I've asked on other threads and never had a response so I thought I'd start my own thread. I am genuinely intrigued! What if there are no available places at another school? Does the FTM kid just have to suck it up and continue to wear a skirt and use the girls' toilets as there are no boys' toilets and vice versa? Can anyone shed any light on this?

Schools are separated by sex not gender, as are toilets so the child should stay where they are. They should be allowed to wear trousers and cut their hair if they want, as should all the other girls, because it’s not the 19th Century.

I would imagine it would depend on the school. Some might have trousers as uniform anyway. There isn't a need for sex segregation, however a school may choose to let them use alternative facilities.

this would be the simpler case, a girl at a girls school who decided they were trans, can just stay there- maybe they have a designated toilet if they prefer, that would be kind but IMO not necessary for either the pupil who is transing or her fellow pupils
the same for a boy at a boys school

At my DD’s school, they apparently a few years back announced they allowed any child to identify as they wish & claimed to have 10 transboys as pupils. Which seems like an awful lot. One was apparently going to switch to the brother school, but never did.

Last school I taught at there was one transboy (all boys school). Presumably that child had started there already having transitioned to be a trans boy. I did wonder what would happen if one of the boys decided to transition. But did not dare to ask.

Our school has no uniform and the girls wear all sorts, I love it! However I did have to berate a head of year once for telling the girls they couldn’t wear spaghetti straps or anything revealing their bra straps, and that it wasn’t just Male teachers it bothered so I let rip tbh and told her to stop sexualising clothing, and that our girls were too busy rushing from science to sports to have to worry about something so stupid. Months later when I went in an older pupil was in the main hall, drill in hand constructing something with spaghetti straps on and her bra strap showing. I almost punched the air!

So it would literally not even stick out there if a pupil did ‘present as a boy’ because most of them do not dress particularly feminine anyway- especially my girl!

see, allowing a 'transboy' to attend a boys school is a bad idea, I think
what will they do if they want to desist, as most of these kids will? It will be much harder.

I agree. And for safety reasons, a transboy being at a boys school is really not a good idea.

Transboy goes to all boys school, presumably they wouldn’t be allowed to shower and change with the boys, and presumably they’d need separate toileting facilities, and presumably PE would be an issue, especially for the older ones. That doesn’t sound like a happy arrangement for the transboy, in fact it sounds pretty othering tbh.

I can see how a male child might revel in going to an all girls school but it sounds like it might be a miserable experience the other way around.

Well

I would say that schools are split by sex not gender.

In which case kids stay at the right school for their sex. If they are not happy with that I'd say a mixed school is the best place. I don't understand why eg trans girls don't go to scouts or woodcraft which is mixed, why it has to mean that guides change from single sex to single gender without consulting anyone.

Other issue is that loads of kids are according to the rules, agender or non binary (as are most adults) so they are not eligible for anything if it's done on gender. Girls who don't "feel like a girl inside" are logically not eligible for guides. Or girls schools. etc

In the actual situations in the news I've variously read of

A girl who became a transboys, stayed at girls school
Boys who became transgirls wanting to go to girls schools

As with prisons, toilets, changing rooms etc it just becomes "men" and "non men". That is a shitty load of old bollocks and should be stopped and reversed.

I agree, newt. If my child had gender dysphoria (I am working night and day to try to prevent this by dismantling gender ideology loudly all the time!) I would want a mixed sex school. If you wanted to detransition you would have to leave your friendship group and known environment etc. Really problematic. But of course we have to profess to believe that children will never change their minds on this subject, despite working with them and seeing them constantly changing their minds on many, many subjects, ideologies, beliefs and identities.

A transgirl went to my friends daughters all girls school. They provided a separate facility for the trans girl but I'm not sure what's happened since this year the school merged with the boys to become two separate mixed schools.

I'd probably prefer a mixed sex school in that situation, but it depends a lot on how the individual feels and how the specific school reacts too, as well as their group of friends.

Several trans male friends of mine went to an all girls' school and didn't have any problems, they were told to buy the trousers usually sold to students from the equivalent boys' school and besides that just kept on the way they always had. I think they were allowed to use staff bathrooms for going to the loo and getting changed for P.E., though I'm not sure how that was laid out or set up because I went to a different school. None of the trans students held it against anyone for messing up names and pronouns because they understood it was a pretty big change when you're in a small private school where everyone's pretty close. I do know some trans women who also transitioned while at the boy's school and the same rules applied, but less of them bought skirts because some of the other students mocked them for it when they did. By sixth form there were shared subjects so certain classes were mixed even if their tutor time, assemblies and school were still single sex. I can't recall any of them having an issue although my bearded, deep-voiced trans male friend does have a good laugh about having to write the girls' school on his CV.

Thank you for the interesting responses. This was sparked by watching "Growing up Gifted" where a girl was now identifying as a boy. That kid was at a mixed school but I wondered how that would work at a single sex school so thank you for the responses.

I think if an all boys school admits a transboy, they should be open to challenge about admitting girls. And all girls schools in the reverse situation. Lots of parents, especially with siblings or where it is a prestigious school, might want that option to be open to their child. If not sex segregated, then what is the argument?

It's occurred here and the child was supported as much as they could be by being allowed to wear trousers (rest of uniform was relatively unisex) and they chose to transfer at 16 to the state sixth form who have multiple trans students so are experienced with supporting them. At DD's (coed) boarding school they have procedures in place but it hasn't occurred (the room is neither in the male nor female part of the boarding house and is flat entry so is primarily for injured students)

DD is at an all girls, and she has a friend (they are yr9) who identifies as a boy and is now known by a boys name and wears the trousers version of the uniform.
I'm not entirely sure what will happen at 6th form which is still girls only, but at the moment the child is still happily attending the school.

Transgirls at an all girls school or transboys at an all boys school is a bad idea because basically what's the justification in keeping any school sex segregated if they aren't anymore in the case of trans students?

Does the FTM kid just have to suck it up and continue to wear a skirt and use the girls' toilets

I'm sure I've heard of such cases, even at mixed sex schools. I think single sex schools can continue to be exactly that though a legal challenge would be interesting.

Well seeing as children can’t legally change gender then they should go,to the school that is correct for their sex

What’s with all this pandering to social contagion

Ime, boy at all-boys school decided he wanted to be a girl. He lived as a trans-girl at the boys school for years. Not sure it was entirely successful (bullying, self harm, etc) but imo that’s better than changing to a girls’ school.

I agree it’s either a single sex school, or if it’s not, it’s mixed sex.
Mixed sex should be open to anyone of either sex, regardless of how the kids ‘identify’ at that time. Which will most often at that age be a phase if desistance is not made socially impossible.

I think it’s a big mistake for single sex schools to start letting in the opposite sex individually and case by case on the basis of individual gender self ID though. Both a mistake for the individual of the opposite sex and for the pre-existing single sex school community. Also girls schools are really helpful to some girls in a way that boys schools are not for boys so that value should be protected and those boys with ‘feminine’ gender ID should go to a mixed school where they are not being lied to nor gaslighting required of their fellow female pupils in a girls school. I feel exactly the same about single sex colleges, universities and toilets, same principles apply.
Keep your penis out of the Ladies’.

It will be tested on the day that parents of a boy sue a girls' school, on their admission policy.

Who would win? A school asserting its right to admit females exclusively, or the family that claims discrimination?

It will be tested on the day that parents of a boy sue a girls' school, on their admission policy

They will lose, there are single sex exemptions written into the law.