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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

“Gender identity in the art of breastfeeding” - La Leche League article

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Muststopfaffing · 19/03/2019 13:39

www.llli.org/gender-identity-in-the-art-of-breastfeeding/

Just seen this on Posie’s Facebook page. I am so angry. What a pile of utter shit. There are no lengths TRAs and their allies won’t go to. So many women struggle to breastfeed, get support for breastfeeding, are subject to abuse because they don’t breast, or because they do or because they don’t do it for long enough or do it for too long. And if they return to work they can struggle then too. This is such a fundamental aspect as to why women suffer under the patriarchy. And these fuckers want to convince us all that men can do it too, men can do it better and not only is it totally normal for a child to be breastfed by their father, because they identify as a man rather than as the woman they so clearly are given they’ve just given birth but that a man taking hormones and drugs that induce lactation is as good as what a lactating woman produces naturally.
I struggled so hard to feed my tiny, premature son. I spent hours hooked up to a bloody breast pump, day and night to express milk for him to be tube fed because he was too small to suckle and I desperately tried to feed him directly from my breast when he was bigger. When he failed to gain weight, couldn’t latch properly and then screamed in pain with reflux I switched to special formula and he thrived. I was so upset a couldn’t feed him myself, felt so guilty and thought I should have tried harder. But I did what was right for him, because I’m a mother, and that’s what we do.
Enough of this fucking bollocks. I’m sick of it all. The abuse at women, the fetishists and their allies gaslighting the world into thinking feeling sexual while breast feeding is normal and that a man pumped full of hormones feeding a baby is as good as an actual woman! They can fuck right off to the far side of fuck.

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littlbrowndog · 19/03/2019 13:50

Och ffs

They can just fuck off and stop being so stupid

NellieEllie · 19/03/2019 13:51

When I think of the shed loads of medication that is banned to a breastfeeding woman, I’m wondering about the shed loads of artificial hormones that a trans woman requires, being pumped into a new born baby.
I’m not sure it’s saying men can do it better - there’s a solitary example of a man who has breast fed enough to sustain a baby. Other examples are tiny amounts of milk being produced.
I’m also hoping that, given the desperate lack of help given to mothers struggling to breastfeed, resources are not going to be drained away to help trans women produce a bottle ful each fortnight........

NellieEllie · 19/03/2019 13:51

La Leche in La La Land.

upsideyerelephant · 19/03/2019 14:04

Experimenting with newborn nutrition....

Just fuck off with that.

GrinitchSpinach · 19/03/2019 14:05

Experimenting with newborn nutrition....Just fuck off with that.

^
THIS.

Howyoualldoworkme · 19/03/2019 14:19

Male fruit bats.

Yeah, that's just about right Angry

KaywinnetLeeFrye · 19/03/2019 14:20

I suppose they'll have to rename the next edition of The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding then ...

Hmm
beagadorsrock · 19/03/2019 14:24

TBH, I always found the LLL boards quite uncomfortable.I know I was lucky that I didn't need their help.

Horsewithnointerestinsport · 19/03/2019 14:30

Male fruit bats.

..as a female fruit bowls.

NeurotrashWarrior · 19/03/2019 14:56

From what I've seen and read lll are quite split over this.

Plenty really not having it.

littlbrowndog · 19/03/2019 15:00

I dunno even know what the point of it is though
Women have breasts they feed babies
No need for stupidity

Melroses · 19/03/2019 15:05

You know, I don't know why the dairy industry hasn't latched on to this - they could milk the bulls - it would be so much more efficient and solve the problem of what to do with bull calves Hmm

WomaninBoots · 19/03/2019 15:14

I can't even fucking read that.

Breastfeeding is about and for THE CHILD BEING FED. I've never done it but respect it hugely and fucking detest society's judgements on women either way. But a man breastfeeding wouldn't be judged would they? They'll be fucking praised and helped and coddled. Like father's dragging screaming kids round supermarkets are praised and helped and coddled while mothers in the same boat are judged...

The only fucking question here is "what Is best for THE CHILD?" I can guarantee that it isn't validation of its male parents "female identity" by drinking artificially induced milk from a male breast....

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 15:39

Posted this on another thread yesterday. Seems relevant:

www.independent.co.uk/news/science/twins-testosterone-women-hormones-success-study-research-a8828401.html?amp&utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=TRUE
Testosterone from a brother in the womb can make female twins less successful, study suggests
Scientists find potential impact of male hormone exposure on everything from education success to money earned in later life

Doesn't this study suggest that testosterone is bad for female development?

Would that suggest giving testosterone to young girls would be problematic?

If you are a transman do you stop taking hormones whilst pregnant?

Pregnancy and trans women anyone?

Men breastfeeding?

Do we have some evidence based research on men breastfeeding, or are we just experimenting on children again?

BickerinBrattle · 19/03/2019 16:10

It takes a Mt. Everest level of narcissism to place one own ego-needs above the needs of an infant for untainted nutrition necessary to thrive.

What else, in the future, will such a parent insist the child forego so that the parent’s ego-needs are met? Surely if a parent is willing to sacrifice healthy FOOD for their child, pretty much anything else is possible.

If I were a social worker, my eyebrows would be raised quite high.

RockyFlintstone · 19/03/2019 16:12

My only thought when reading that was

Oh. Do. Fuck. Off. Dear.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 19/03/2019 16:22

Oh this is fucking stupid. One big giant fucking experiment, involving children, babies no less. Insane.

NoseringGirl · 19/03/2019 16:29

I'm not a big LLL fan anyway but this massively irritated me. I work with newborns and had to bite my tongue during a training session recently when a slide about 'chestfeeding' came up.

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