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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Apparently self-certification used to be a thing

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MsTiggywinkletoyou · 18/03/2019 13:13

Trans people used to be able to get their certificates by turning up at Somerset House to ask for one: according to Twitter, according to a speaker at today's LGBT conference (the big one held by the Government Equalities Office). So the demand for self-certification is not breaking new territory, but re-establishing old rights.

Does anyone know if this is true - not that a speaker said it, but that once this was the case? When and why was it changed?

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TurboTeddy · 18/03/2019 16:02

This is what wiki has to say about the history of trans people's legal status.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbett_v_Corbett

This is at the end of the wiki entry, I wonder if this is what they are referring too.

As a result of Justice Ormrod's decision, unofficial amendments of birth certificates for transgender and intersex people ceased.

I can't find any reference to an official GRC existing before the 2004 GRA.

MsTiggywinkletoyou · 18/03/2019 17:28

That must be it, thank you. I meant the amendment of birth certificates, not the creation of gender recognition certificates, sorry for the loose wording.

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BettyDuMonde · 18/03/2019 18:34

That didn’t actually give anyone proper rights though - the April Ashley court case proved it and ended the unofficial practise.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbett_v_Corbett

crsacre · 18/03/2019 18:38

Dr Forbes-Sempill went about her change of gender in the quietest possible manner. She applied to the Sheriff of Aberdeen, and acquired a warrant for birth re-registration. Then, on 12 September 1952, there appeared a notice in the advertisement columns of Aberdeen's The Press and Journal, which stated that henceforth Dr Forbes-Sempill wished to be known as Dr Ewan Forbes-Sempill.' Three weeks later, he married his housekeeper ...

www.tatler.com/article/trans-toffs

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/03/2019 18:43

I hate to be transphobic but that^ sounds awfully like not wanting / able to be an out lesbian...

crsacre · 18/03/2019 19:31

When Forbes-Sempill's transformation was later challenged by a disinherited male relative, a judge affirmed that he was indeed a man. One of the key pieces of evidence: his wife (the former housekeeper) experienced complete sexual satisfaction ... Grin

CadburysTastesVileNow · 18/03/2019 21:29

Willing to bet that any 'unofficial amendments' were only ever made for fully medically transitioned transsexuals

MsTiggywinkletoyou · 18/03/2019 21:51

Official amendments may also have been made for intersex people - those who were brought up as one sex, but on puberty their bodies demonstrated the other. I know we try hard now to distinguish disorders of sexual development from transgenderism, but 100 years ago none of these terms and not much of this knowledge was current

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