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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

1st Government National Adviser for LGBT Health appointed - and a panel

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ReSistersUnited · 17/03/2019 00:23

From the government website:

  • Clinical adviser in the NHS appointed to advise on LGBT health issues
  • Expert panel also appointed, which will focus on key issues such as conversion therapy, improving access and tackling inequality in healthcare
  • Government Equalities Office to host inaugural national LGBT conference (Monday 18 March)

What's this all about then?

Some of those are VERY loaded terms aren't they?

Why is conversion therapy the first point? Do they mean, actual conversion therapy - or do they mean stopping counsellors from being able to explore reasons other than trans for children presenting as trans - like trauma, ASD etc.

What's this all about? Is this a surprise or did people know it was happening?

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ReSistersUnited · 17/03/2019 00:23

It's on the government website here:

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-appoints-first-national-adviser-for-lgbt-health

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BadPennyNoBiscuit · 17/03/2019 00:26

James Morton is popular with this Govt, isn't he.

ReSistersUnited · 17/03/2019 00:28

The new adviser is Dr Michael Brady, Medical Director of the Terrence Higgins Trust and a sexual health and HIV consultant at King’s College Hospital.

His role will be to:

advise the government on how to tackle inequality in the healthcare system including

  • improving healthcare professionals’ awareness of LGBT issues
  • the implementation of sexual orientation monitoring across the NHS
  • working with statutory and professional organisations to address LGBT issues in physical and mental health services

What does this mean? How does it relate to trans ideology.

What's Dr Michael Brady's history? Is he a TRA or- dare I even think it could be possible - GC?

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ReSistersUnited · 17/03/2019 00:29

Here's the panel. What do we know about them? Are they all TRAs?

The 12 members of the LGBT Advisory Panel are:

Catherine Meads, Professor of Health at Anglia Ruskin University, specialising in hate crime

S Chelvan, Barrister at No5 chambers, specialising in international human rights and LGBT asylum cases

Ellen Murray, Executive Director of Transgender Northern Ireland

James Morton, Manager at the Scottish Trans Alliance and member of the Parliamentary Forum on Gender Identity

Jayne Ozanne, Director of the Ozanne Foundation and member of the Church of England’s General Synod

Lewis Turner, Chief Executive of Lancashire LGBT with previous experience working on hate crime in local government

Marcel Varney, Assistant Director of Children’s Services at Barnardo’s with experience working on adoption policy

Paul Dillane, Executive Director of Kaleidoscope Trust

Paul Martin, Chief Executive of LGBT Foundation

Paul Roberts, Chief Executive of Consortium

Ruth Hunt, Chief Executive of Stonewall

Stevie-Jade Hardy, Associate Professor of Criminology and expert on equalities and hate crime at the University of Leicester

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ReSistersUnited · 17/03/2019 00:31

BadPennyNoBiscuit he is isn't he Sad

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BadPennyNoBiscuit · 17/03/2019 00:36

Since Ruth Hunt and James Morton are on the panel, and Penny states TWAW, I don't think their agenda will be gender critical.

And for that reason the 'conversion therapy' bit worries me. I don't want the UK to end up a system like they have in Iran, where gay people are forced to transition.

ReSistersUnited · 17/03/2019 00:37

Yes, it worries me too.

The people I recognise on the panel are TRAs. I'm wondering if the whole panel are?

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ReSistersUnited · 17/03/2019 01:00

I'm hoping that it's more balanced that I fear. That it's not only a vehicle to further trans ideology.

That someone on the panel might give a shit about women, girls and safeguarding children.

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AnonymouslyMasked · 17/03/2019 01:10

I cannot see how know someone's sexual orientation will help improve healthcare; there are so many elements of health that have fuck all to do with sexual orientation. It seems more of an invasion of privacy than anything else.

ChattyLion · 17/03/2019 06:05

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44686374
BBC Article announcing this policy intention from 2018:
'Gay conversion therapy' to be banned as part of LGBT equality plan

Including While the government did not offer a definition of "conversion therapy", its report said it "can range from pseudo-psychological treatments to, in extreme cases, surgical interventions and 'corrective' rape".

While conversion abuse (a better descriptor IMO) that is aimed at enforcing heterosexuality onto lesbian and gay people should absolutely be tackled and stopped, it’s worrying that given Stonewall’s expansion of the trans umbrella, what Stonewall then say in this BBC article:

’Stonewall says that "no one should be told their identity is something that can be cured".

More on that here: www.stonewall.org.uk/campaign-groups/conversion-therapy

Actually no. We know that some people will really urgently need proper professional psychological and medical help to deal with their gender dysphoria and identity struggles. Just giving them affirmation as a first line approach, is not going to help them. Theres nothing wrong or bad in recognising that and actually their needs for professional medical and psychological services to support them should absolutely be advocated for.

Also it is noticeable that the types of ‘conversion therapies’ listed, also include surgery and other aspects that can be involved in a gender-related transition process.

Maybe that’s why the government can’t give any definition of a coversion therapy Hmm while saying it must be urgently stopped.. Hmm because if they had to actually define this abuse, that would expose a divergence between the needs or experiences of trans people and the needs of gay and lesbian people.

Stonewall as the link above shows, apply conversion therapy to both same sex orientation AND to identity feelings.

So its almost looking as if it’s more important to keep the LGBT label together, than it is to actually help some LBG people avoid or recover from specific abuse aimed at eradicating their same sex orientation? Shock

And while it’s awful that some trans people may have been targeted for this kind of abusive treatment, actually is it helpful to them or protective of them either, not to be able to name what is being done?

Why can’t we just say that sometimes with gender identity issues there also can be underlying mental health needs? This obfuscation approach of advocacy blurring the boundaries between sex and gender and pride and affirmation and mental ill health- it’s surely seems to make it harder for those who most need actual targeted support to be able to get it?

This are also some anti scientific and worrying ideas from professionals in this mix: ’Dr Louise Theodosiou of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, which "100% backs the ban", told the programme: "There's no evidence base to support this therapy. Your sexuality and your gender ID are inherent and there's no evidence base and no therapeutic treatment to change what is simply part of someone's nature."

ChattyLion · 17/03/2019 06:12

From same Stonewall page as in previous post: www.stonewall.org.uk/campaign-groups/conversion-therapy

‘What is ‘conversion therapy’ or ‘cure’ therapy?
Conversion therapy (or ‘cure’ therapy or reparative therapy) refers to any form of treatment or psychotherapy which aims to change a person’s sexual orientation or to suppress a person’s gender identity. It is based on an assumption that being lesbian, gay, bi or trans is a mental illness that can be ‘cured’. These therapies are both unethical and harmful.

In the UK, all major counselling and psychotherapy bodies, as well as the NHS, have concluded that conversion therapy is dangerous and have condemned it by signing a Memorandum of Understanding (PDF). We [Stonewall] are working to make sure that this covers gender identity too. ‘

borntobequiet · 17/03/2019 07:03

Is there such an adviser/panel for women’s health? If not, why not?

ComputerSaysMo · 17/03/2019 07:17

Genuine question: is there a major problem with conversion therapy for gay, lesbian and bi people in the UK? I’ve always associated it with conservative religion, which isn’t exactly a mainstream interest in most of the UK. Or is this really just about destroying any barriers to putting younger and younger people through medical and surgical therapies aimed at getting them to ape a sex they’ll never actually be?

AncientLights · 17/03/2019 07:53

Why does the government need to implement sexual orientation monitoring across the UK? I groaned out loud when I saw the names of Ruth Hunt & James Morton on the committee. We know already how this will go.

ChattyLion · 17/03/2019 08:46

Born great question. My inner voice reading your question immediately replied ‘Is there fuck!’. But I’d love to be wrong..

Horsewithnogreenbobblehat · 17/03/2019 08:52

Funny how there were no expert panels or national advisers when it was just L.G. and B...

Sarcasm smiley.

NeurotrashWarrior · 17/03/2019 09:03

Re sexual orientation and health care, there was a bit in WH last week about how lesbian health care and health outcomes fall behind the general population.

Iused2BanOptimist · 17/03/2019 09:09

the implementation of sexual orientation monitoring across the NHS

It always infuriates me being asked this question on equality questionnaires etc and I never answer and have taught my DDs not to either. The "prefer not to say" box is a cheek too - it puts the onus on you, implies you aren't with the times etc. Whereas a NOY(F)B box would say what I think.

Now it looks like we will have to ask all patients. I wonder if this will be tacked onto the "Lifestyle" screening form that pops up on the computer soon after admission. This asks about smoking and alcohol. You have to have no more than a small sherry at Christmas not to generate advice from the alcohol liaison service. You can bypass the form a maximum of three times then it has to be filled out, you can't exit the patient details or the system you are in, the only way is to shut down the whole computer. It usually pops up during the drug round and in order to progress the task in hand the nurse stands in the middle of the bay shouting "Do you smoke?", "How much do you drink?"

Now they will be shouting at old people with dementia to enquire their sexuality. ConfusedGrin

ChattyLion · 17/03/2019 09:10

Govt report behind this:

ThePurportedDoctoress · 17/03/2019 09:35

Apparently Penny Mordaunt is a Stonewall LGBT Ally.
Who is the women's ally?

Horsewithnogreenbobblehat · 17/03/2019 09:41

Who is the women's ally?

The Minister for Women and Equalities, silly.

Oh, wait a minute..

Exploitedteadrinker · 17/03/2019 09:42

Iused2BanOptimist

According to the CQC, we should ask about fetishes and help people to watch pornography in their care homes already.

twitter.com/ThrupennyBit/status/1104429992329572352?s=19

ChattyLion · 17/03/2019 09:57

Relevant Stonewall report asking for this post to be implemented with some awful health outcomes but all lumped together as LGBT findings-I guess because on their world view there are no sex differences. www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/lgbt_in_britain_health.pdf

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 17/03/2019 10:13

Who is the women's ally?

There isn't one, this is going to get a whole lot worse over the next few years.

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