Tickets 'if you identify as female'

[Howzaboutye]

Just seen on LinkedIn an offer of a ticket for something, 'if you identify as a female'

This annoys me on quite a few levels.

One- nobody 'identifies' as female, you are or you aren't.

You might identify as a woman though.

Two- the offer of the tickets is because there are few women in this profession. So it's to help networking.

And believe me, we really need the help. Lots of companies won't recruit women in case they have a baby. And once you do have one your career is basically over.
There are real reasons why actual women need this help. Because of our biology.

Aaarrrgggh

I'm guessing the poster has just been on a diversity course and has been briefed by stonewall.

Most of the men in this profession are nice, but not aware in the slightest of diversity issues in any way whatsoever.
I'm worried they will get these briefings and accept it uncritically. And so women are once more put to the back of the queue at work.
This really pisses me off

That would infuriate me too - can you let the organiser know that the language does not include you & ask if that was their intention?

Also did you see this? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3531416-Self-excluding-because-of-inclusive-language-Lets-get-some-data?pg=1&order=

It's not aimed at me then.

Well I actually want to go!
So if I get a ticket I might call up and have a chat about the post.
All very nicely of course

Could you contact them and ask if this offer is just for transwomen, as that is what it seems like. See what they say.

I don't want to be labelled as a troublemaker!
I'll ideally get the ticket then I'll call up.

That''s me out. I'm female but don't identify as a woman - I just am a woman.

Could you contact them and ask if this offer is just for transwomen, as that is what it seems like.

Yes, please do this if you can. You could ask whether it's for women who want to discuss real issues that affect women in your industry, or if it's just a 'social' event. And you could point out that the inclusion of everyone who identifies as a woman is counterproductive because it distorts data on equality and diversity.

Yes the purported- that's exactly it.
No transwoman is going to face the issues I'm facing right now.

Thanks for the wording.

Any more spiels please keep em coming! I don't want to clam up on the phone

Howzaboutye I didn’t mean not to I just meant point out to them that the description doesn’t include you - as you intend to do which is awesome

And fwiw I was chucked out of my Mumsnet group because I knew in depth about a subject, others didn't and took massive offence. Horrible.

I feel this scenario is exactly the same. If you don't have a clue what's going on- then if you are gender critical, it's easily possible to be seen an anti trans. And I'm absolutely not. I just think they have different life experiences.

Waddle (no thumbs up emoji)

Nothing to do with the thread but you have an awful username. "How's about that then" was Jimmy Savill's catch phrase.

Lass just as well that isn’t the OP’s username, then, isn’t it
What an odd comment

This bollocks is everywhere especially on international women's day. Or should I say womxn 🙄

Lass wierd, wrong and irrelevant

What a bizarre comment Lass
I’m Irish and “How(‘s) about ye?” is standard greeting in some areas. It is also nothing like JS’s greeting IMO.

As to the OP
If you’re worried you might get into trouble of some kind I’d fire off a polite but faux confused email along the lines of -
“Hi there, just a quick question about x event. I’m confused about the language surrounding booking this event. Generally I’ve only ever seen “self identifying” to mean trans, so I wondered if this was a trans only event? I wouldn’t want to book onto an event incorrectly.
Hoping you can clear up any confusion.”

The first thing that came into my head was Savill's catch phrase. Of all the available names one might pick why reference that?

fwiw I was chucked out of my Mumsnet group because I knew in depth about a subject, others didn't and took massive offence. Horrible

Interesting.

OVA thanks good tip

Lass please go away if you can't be helpful.

My user name is an Irish phrase.
I never watched saville, as my mum wouldn't let us. She had her suspicions about him.

Shut up woman in other words. Was that what got you thrown out of your mums' group? Trying to dictate to other people?

I saw your name and that was what came into my head.

Which is utterly irrelevant and unhelpful. Just a weird dig for no reason.

Anyway, if you feel you can without causing any negative consequences for yourself, @Howzaboutye, it would be interesting to feed back to the organisers and subtly make the point that their terminology doesn't help.