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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Organisations citing Gender not Sex

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ClingFilmApplications · 14/03/2019 20:30

I thought it might be useful to start a list of organisations incorrectly citing "Gender" not "Sex" as a protected characteristic.

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ClingFilmApplications · 14/03/2019 20:34

For starters, Alston Primary School - centre of the controversial "No Outsiders" education programme:

http://www.alston.bham.sch.uk/no-outsiders

(see embedded slide presentation)

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ClingFilmApplications · 14/03/2019 20:36

The UK Government redirection page for EHRC: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/equality-and-human-rights-commission

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HumberElla · 14/03/2019 20:51

Arts Council. Every application form and all the terms and conditions for funding require sign up to gender as a protected characteristic but omits sex.

This and other gov quangos like it distribute millions of government funds and lottery money every year to all sorts of projects and organisations and hold those they fund to account if they don’t comply. This is the same for many government and lottery funds.

I recall Johnny Best raised this as being a problem for the culture sector as it makes it very difficult for organisations, institutions and partners to speak out.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/03/2019 20:54

Duke of Edinburgh’s.

I filled out a job app this week and the equality firm asked outright if the applicants gender was same as the ‘sex at birth’. I may not send it in (load of crap)

sackrifice · 14/03/2019 20:56

The Government website that you linked to; is incorrectly citing gender not sex.

The actual legislation is on here www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/4

Just to confirm...that the UK government website is currently misquoting the Equality Act.

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ClingFilmApplications · 14/03/2019 21:01

Yup - that's why I mentioned it.

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GenderIsAPrison · 14/03/2019 21:37

Royal Academy of Engineering on their Candidate Diversity Monitoring Form and their website.

MhairiV · 14/03/2019 21:37

Lambeth Council

twitter.com/cedawnow/status/1101458120134610944?s=21

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WineGummyBear · 14/03/2019 21:38

Everything!

I literally cannot remember the last time I filled in a form and had to give my sex.

It's ridiculous.

SlipperyLizard · 14/03/2019 21:47

Gender is so often used as a “nicer” way of saying “sex” - Gender Pay Gap anyone? There are posters up all over my work at the moment about “Gender Balance” too.

Trouble is, I can see why “Sex Pay Gap” and “Sex Balance” sound wrong on a poster.

This sort of thing is one reason (like relying on the Guardian and BBC for current affairs) why I was blind to this madness for so long. I genuinely thought “gender” was just a polite way of saying “sex”.

SeaRabbit · 15/03/2019 05:12

We all need to click at the bottom of the government website linked to, to point out that they are using gender when they should be using sex.

GrimDamnFanjo · 15/03/2019 06:59

All the data I read as a secondary school governor uses gender and not sex eg exam results, behaviour reports

Vixxxy · 15/03/2019 07:35

Yeah a lot of places use 'gender' as 'sex' is 'embarrassing' or whatever. Its quite pathetic to be honest. And part of how we got into this fucking mess in the first place. A lot of people use gender and sex interchangeably, thinking they still mean the same thing. But..they don't these days. Gender is totally different to sex, gender is about which stereotypes you follow and some mystical 'inner feeling' that most people seem to not have. Sex is, well sex, and it matters. As all women know.

Vixxxy · 15/03/2019 07:36

My doctors surgery regularly use 'gender' and everytime I fill out something I do cross it out and put 'sex'. As gender is completely irrelevant in most areas of life, but especially in a medical setting.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/03/2019 07:41

I do that.

Mumphineasandferbmadea · 15/03/2019 07:45

I am another person who just thought it was another way of asking your sex. Thinking about it though I haven't seen sex asked on a form in years.

sorenipples · 15/03/2019 07:46

I work in an organisation with strong links to other countries. Like slippery lizard I see references to gender balance, and gender pay gap. Although my inner voice says "sex not gender " I can see that sex balance and sex pay gap don't sound right ("does the organisation have the correct sex balance?") and may be particularly confusing to those who don't have English as a first language.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/03/2019 08:54

It used to be a less ‘tee-hee-hee-they-said-s-e-x’ way if asking. Since the word gender has no meaning now and the word ‘woman’ is heading that way, people have take notice.

InflagranteDelicto · 15/03/2019 11:11

Adding bucks child imms survey to the list. Online consent form, great. Asking my child's gender, not great.

CharlieMCB · 15/03/2019 12:22

SeaRabbit, thank you I've done that.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/03/2019 12:36

Might be easier to list organisations that do list the characteristics correctly...

3timeslucky · 15/03/2019 14:23

Everywhere I look gender is used in place of sex ... even in something like on the Basis of Sex where the whole legal brief is re-typed to substitute the work sex (as in sex discrimination) with gender because the word sex is just that little bit too graphic ("and you know how men are" - quote from film). Once it started being used as a polite alternative it started tripping off the tongue and is now second nature I think. Largely unthinking, but also very specifically considered. Drives me batshit!

Ereshkigal · 15/03/2019 14:29

I never use it when I mean sex, for exactly this reason.

ClingFilmApplications · 17/03/2019 11:15

Sorry - I should have made it clearer in the original post that I was referring to organisations that list Gender as one of the protected EA2010 characteristics as opposed to the generic use of the term (which is of course commonplace).

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Katvonchangedlightbulb · 17/03/2019 11:42

The Labour party.

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