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10 Books To Make Your Feminism More Intersectional

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PrincessPlummy · 13/03/2019 12:36

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NowtSalamander · 13/03/2019 17:31

I think decisions like the lack of capitalisation looks really old fashioned now and something we associate with text speak. But in mid 20th c it has quite different associations - see e.e. cummings.

bell hooks is a phenomenon. As usual with intersectionality we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the (male) bathwater.

LassOfFyvie · 13/03/2019 18:21

Why does not capitalising her name in anyway detract from what she is trying to say?

Because it makes her look like a pretentious twerp.

She decided not to capitalize her new name to place focus on her work rather than her name, on her ideas rather than her personality

It does exactly the opposite of that. It is a silly affectation- ooh look at me , I'm so special

Freespeecher · 13/03/2019 18:32

Do people want their feminism to be more intersectional?

Does signing up for one cause mean you have to sign up for the rest too?

qumquat · 13/03/2019 18:45

bell hooks is amazing. Frankly I'm amazed that people here aren't familiar with her already.

qumquat · 13/03/2019 18:52

Actually (now read the list) a lot of these books are xactly what intersectionality should be: bell hooks, Audrey Lorde, Lean Out and Why I Know Longer Talk to White people about Race are all excellent and nothing at all to do with centring men

maslinpan · 13/03/2019 18:53

Please read her before Deciding that she is
pretentious.

User07734 · 13/03/2019 18:57

Do people want their feminism to be more intersectional?

Does signing up for one cause mean you have to sign up for the rest too?

Intersectional feminism is just feminism. How disabled women are struggling and worst affected by cuts is feminism but it's because of their disability AND the fact they are women they suffer specifically.

Black women might have sexism directed at them differently than white women. But if you only focus on the way white women are affected that's not feminism.

Freespeecher · 13/03/2019 18:57

Pretentious?

her?

User07734 · 13/03/2019 19:00

It's pretty gross seeing privileged posters call a woman raised under segregation fighting for black women pretensious because of the way she spells her name.

*And yes living in 2019 Britain and having never experienced segregation does make you privileged in comparison to her.

Bowlofbabelfish · 13/03/2019 19:19

Do people want their feminism to be more intersectional?

For the intersection of female with working class/disabled/black etc? yes.

To mean ‘if you don’t centre men you’re not a feminist?’ No. That can fuck right off.

User07734 · 13/03/2019 19:26

White middle class men using black working class womens words to remind women to spend more time centering men.

TowelNumber42 · 13/03/2019 21:54

I wonder why they chose to list their intersectional books in this order:

Book 1: transwomen
Book 2: prostitutes
Book 3: fat black
Book 4: working class

Lemoncakestrudel · 13/03/2019 23:47

Oh excuse me for being born. I’m sure I didn’t choose to be me, but thanks anyway. In fact, you can tell me why my black great grandmother chose to move to a racially segregated country.

LassOfFyvie · 14/03/2019 07:23

It's pretty gross seeing privileged posters call a woman raised under segregation fighting for black women pretensious because of the way she spells her name

I am aware of who bell hooks is. The choice of name is silly and pretentious .Her explanation of the non capitalisation makes no sense ; a bit like your comment. She might be all you say - doesn't render her free from criticism.

eyeczawikaivov · 14/03/2019 07:26

Intersectionality is very important to my feminism. Women who are also discriminated against because of another (or several other) protected characteristic are clearly going to experience sexism very differently to women who are in the relatively fortunate position of "only" being subject to sexism.

In the specific case of intersectionality between the characteristics of sex and gender reassignment, I am most definitely concerned about the needs of people of the female sex who identify as Trans, who will sometimes be extremely vulnerable and will still be moving in a world that detects and discriminates against their female sex despite their assertions.

People whose protected characteristics do not include being female are irrelevant to intersectional feminism.

I can still be concerned about ensuring that trans women are also protected from discrimination but as they are males that isn't part of my feminism, it's an entirely separate thing like my concern for animal welfare, environmentalism or poverty.

WeepingWillowWeepingWino · 14/03/2019 09:46

well said, eye.

I will give bell hooks a look, her work sounds very interesting. But being born under segregation doesn't mean you're exempt from criticism. Non-capitalising is a very individualistic, idiosyncratic thing to do and absolute draws attention away from her words directly to her as a person.

Saying that if one experiences appalling oppression one then can't ever be criticized is exactly the kind of thing TRAs come out with.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 14/03/2019 12:39

Audre Lorde's writing is honestly fantastic around all of that.

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