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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sky news opinion piece transgender women in sport

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UnderHerEye · 11/03/2019 07:23

news.sky.com/story/sky-views-sports-transgender-debate-has-been-hijacked-by-hate-11661596?

Hope this link works!

A reasonable opinion piece of transgender women in sport from Sky, (it basically points out what many of us have been saying here!)

Even as little as 3 months ago this would not have been published - the message is getting out there, the debate is happening and it’s because of all of you!

The hate and aggression will ramp up the more this debate comes into the spotlight, which just highlights what we’ve been saying all along - and as bloody horrible as the abuse and hate directed at women who don’t fall into line is, it also demonstrates our point perfectly! Keep on keeping on and stay strong.

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Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 11/03/2019 07:39

That's a strong article.
I guess the world is seeing what we've seen for years.

Saltovinegar · 11/03/2019 07:42

Really good article and they've used photos unlike the BBC.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 11/03/2019 07:44

yes, some great pictures to illustrate that article

i feared from the headline that it was going to be a 'fault on both sides' type article, but actually, it's very clear from the text where the hate is coming from

we just need that view to get into the headline of the articles too now

EweSurname · 11/03/2019 07:45

Davies and others are looking to create a website where athletes who fear speaking out can anonymously submit their views on transgender participation in sport. The question we should be asking is why such a website is needed

Excellent news, though infuriating/frightening that it’s needed

zanahoria · 11/03/2019 07:58

OK, how many other people made the same assumption that I did when reading 'hi-jacked by hate'

a nice surprise

Reluctant2ndtimer · 11/03/2019 23:47

@zanahoria me, I totally had the wrong expectations when I clicked on the article. I’ve actually been putting off reading it for a while so was very pleasantly surprised. Especially the way Rachel McKinnon was dealt with, it seems the issue is becoming much more openly talked about and understood by the general public and hopefully the tide is turning towards more reasoned debate.

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 06:33

Doesn't sky have a particular financial interest in promoting and supporting women's sport? Their branding (see team sky cycling - including recently announcing they are leaving cycling sponsorship) is all about fair sport too.

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 06:54

Interesting thought here but is sport at odds with the rest of pro trans inclusion without question for one reason: money

If you follow the money elsewhere in the debate, it's heavily stacked against the interests of women.

Not so in women's sport.

Its a growing market which is having increasing revenues. For women's sport to survive it needs the support of actual women (not trans women), have opportunities for women and to be seen to be fair. Otherwise this market will completely collapse.

But as more viewers are drawn to women’s sports, a growing number of sponsors are stepping up.

Research from Sports Marketing Agency Two Circles found attendances for women’s sports in the UK had grown 38% year-on-year since 2013. This year, for the first time, the number of fans attending elite women’s sporting events in the UK was set to hit 682,000, a 49% increase from 2017.

The audience for the soccer European Championships 2017 semifinal was watched by more than four million in the UK, and nearly two million watched the Women’s Rugby World Cup final last year.

Broadcaster Sky reported a peak audience of 1.1 million for the Women’s World Cup cricket final, won by England — more than men’s Premier League matches draw on average.

McKinnon going after Kelly Holmes sponsorship therefore seems to be a real clanger. Her sponsors are getting tons of publicity for supporting an advocate of fair sport and female participation. The trans market is diddly squat and is never going to reward companies with customer brownie points in the same way that corporate bodies can benefit from 'woke points' in other areas of business.

In terms of branding and values that are important to customers, it's a completely different market and priorities are fundamentally different. Fairness beats woke identity. The same tactics are really not going to work.

Janie143 · 13/03/2019 01:52

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/gender-reassignment-discrimination Under the heading Circumstances when being treated differently due to gender reassignment is lawful it says this
competitive sports: a sports organisation restricts participation because of gender reassignment. For example, the organisers of a women’s triathlon event decide to exclude a trans woman. They think her strength gives her an unfair advantage. However, the organisers would need to be able to show this was the only way it could make the event fair for everyone

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