British Gymnastics and lack of safeguarding for girls

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You'd think that British gymnastics, having seen the catastrophic abuse of girls by Larry Nassar in the USA scandal, might be a bit more thoughtful about the safety of girls - but no:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791187/Now-girl-gymnasts-share-changing-rooms-boys-identify-female.html

Ironically they now are allowing the wearing of shorts having ignored complaints that skimpy leotards are too revealing for girls. But now there is something they want to hide ......

I don't know how they can say it's consistent with safe guarding policies. No one seems to have any sense in these organisations.

Plus if someone's wearing shorts and tights and everyone else is in a leotard it will be obvious they're male (apart from the fact it would take more than shorts to hide a penis and testicles).

I despair.

I thought female gymnasts wore high cut legs so the extension of the leg could be seen by the judges. (Something like that - I don't watch much gymnastics). If so, how would the male gymnasts be scored for this in female competitions if they are wearing low cut outfits?

I don’t see this ending well for British Gymnastics.

Controversially, the edict by British Gymnastics, which has a membership of more than 350,000 – the vast majority of whom are under 16 – bans coaches from telling parents their daughter is sharing a room with a boy who has declared themself as female

British Gymnastics said last night: ‘We believe our guidance on the inclusion of trans people is consistent with our safeguarding policies and have no reason to believe that it compromises anyone’s safety or welfare.’

Not being honest with parents about the presence of male people where girls are getting changed

yeah sure, no safeguarding issue here at all. move along people

what is wrong with them. have they been hypnotised or something?

and for Sanchez Manning, who has been highlighting this madness for ages

It's not quite clear from the article whether girls can wear shorts or only transitioning boys. Tbh, I can't bear to start my Sunday by going and looking at yet another policy from a sports organisation that's throwing the rights of girls under a bus.

Really not fair for the girls. Could males really compete with females in female gymnastics?

I can’t imagine many males having the physique for it once they get to puberty.

The ruling is not only misogynistic but also trans-exclusionary. If only biologically male competitors are allowed to wear shorts or tights, that will point out to everyone that the gymnasts competing in the female categories are not all girls or women.

Reminds me of Swim England's rule that TWs could wear bikinis, but TMs could not wear just trunks. Because biology.

As illogical as all trans ideology.

The problem is it will just decimate the sport and affect women's and girls health negatively One mother in the article made the point she would no longer encourage her daughter in the sport 'for her own safety'.

Whether the boys are any good, is in many respects, beside the point here.

Now that's an interesting debate - how are female / male gymnastics competitions scored? How much does weight / strength feature in different activities?

I doubt there will be many male-bodied candidates for the beam. (Ouch!)

In the vault however, the longer limbs etc will give a distinct advantage.

I wonder whether the floor exercises are scored in the same way? Both sexes do those.

Far too much cutesey wrist-flicking and arse-wiggling in women's floor for my liking.

Have British Gymnastics consulted their liability insurers? Are the coaches and volunteer chaperones indemnified? Have they been advised of their potential liability exposure in the event of a lawsuit for damages? All coaches and volunteers should require that British Gymnastics provide them documentation that they themselves are covered by British Gymnastics insurance policy, and therefore will be provided legal defence, in the event of a lawsuit.

I suspect Sanchez Manning has been sitting on that article for some time, waiting for the right moment to publish. And then along came Martina....😁 Perfect timing.

I actually think gymnastics is one sport where trans athletes won’t necessarily have an advantage. I wasn’t particularly good but I did gymnastics all through childhood and being bigger doesn’t particularly help and is if anything a hindrance in the female events.

Trans men would stand no chance at all in the men’s which is more heavily strength based.

Men and women both do floor but women’s has more of a dance element and is to music.

Both do the vault but I’ve bever particularly thought the men are any better at it but a more experienced gymnast than me may say otherwise.

Safeguarding is a separate issue, of course.

yes, this all kicked off last summer / autumn, so I was wondering about the timing TimeLady, but that explains it

I can imagine that it’s the floor exercises with the ribbon and balls that would be of more interest to such lads. All that dainty prancing (sorry to anyone who does this - I love dance, I love gymnastics but 2 sports I don’t ‘get’ one is this and the other is synchronised swimming).

Otherwise why not compete in the tumbling, bars, horse etc - I can’t say that most female disciplines are more or less ‘girly’ than the boys ones. And the girls will have been training for years on their apparatus - is it easy to switch from say doing the pallel bars to the beam?

Or is this purely males bullying their way into female arenas and expecting the girls and women to pretend they haven’t noticed?

Does this need to be cross-posted into the extra curricular activities thread where the 'gym mums' hand out?

And of course it’s safeguarding. Older kids/young men - how often do you hear that they are actually ‘lesbian’? And retain their tackle?

Ok so. How many lesbians have been convicted of rape? I’d say, very very few (there was a case I saw which was orettt weird where a woman ‘tricked’ her friend into believing that she was a man etc).

So... you have a male ‘lesbian’ with the equipment to rape. He’s too young to have hormones or any medical intervention (Dr Wobbly aside) Changing with girls and young women. Full of male hormones and fancying girls. Nature taking its course. What could possibly go wrong? Will they need to have chaperones in the changing rooms now? Can these also be self IDing male lesbians then? Oh no, nothing could possibly go wrong in that scenario can it?

I hope to god their insurance is fully paid up.

Girl guides and also British Gymnastics clearly putting young girls at risk-the public are horrified-it’s so clear that standard safeguarding goes out the window when trans is mentioned.....the more publicity this gets, the better.

I think male strength might well be useful on bars. I know men do the high bar, or whatever it's called, but I suppose those skills would transfer to the uneven bars?

My daughter is a member of British Gymnastics and I was furious when we got the guidelines. But she is not at the level where she would be travelling to an event without me, so on a personal level I can keep her safe.

But I do think this needs challenged, as someone needs to keep other girls safe.

It’s a massive safeguarding risk. I don’t know why British Gymnastics can’t see this.

Have British Gymnastics consulted their liability insurers? Are the coaches and volunteer chaperones indemnified? Have they been advised of their potential liability exposure in the event of a lawsuit for damages? All coaches and volunteers should require that British Gymnastics provide them documentation that they themselves are covered by British Gymnastics insurance policy, and therefore will be provided legal defence, in the event of a lawsuit.

This!

Does this need to be cross-posted into the extra curricular activities thread where the 'gym mums' hand out?

Do it.

Why do male bodied persons ALWAYS trump girls? I just cannot understand how the transgender organizations can advise all these sports and schools and girl guides etc. that they are NOT ALLOWED to inform parents when their girls are sleeping overnight in the same space as a male bodied individual. How is that legal?

It seems to be gaslighting of the highest order.

Have British Gymnastics consulted their liability insurers? Are the coaches and volunteer chaperones indemnified? Have they been advised of their potential liability exposure in the event of a lawsuit for damages? All coaches and volunteers should require that British Gymnastics provide them documentation that they themselves are covered by British Gymnastics insurance policy, and therefore will be provided legal defence, in the event of a lawsuit.

This. If I were a parent, I would be making work for them demanding evidence of all this.

I suspect Sanchez Manning has been sitting on that article for some time, waiting for the right to publish. And then along came Martina....😁 Perfect timing.

And this! Clever move, Sanchez!