How men used to be able to dress in the 60s

[thatdamnwoman]

I came across some photos on this Twitter site:

twitter.com/StuartHumphryes

Scroll to the third lot down, after the women in mini skirts to the groups of men and women. Men in yellow jacquard silk pants and pink and green velvet with chiffon shirts and hair bigger than the women's. Men could wear pretty much what they wanted and express their 'feminine' side. How narrow our bandwidth has become in terms of clothing. Every time some young woke person implies that people of my generation are old fuddy-duddies I'm going to send them these pix. Fags, no underpants, green velvet —shocking.

The point of being in an indie band is that you are alternative to mainstream, you can’t use them to argue your point

Indie bands went mainstream years ago. There was a window of about , oh I don't know, 6 weeks when indie bands were alternative. The Johnny Burrell skinny jeans look went mainstream ages ago and hasn't gone away for young men.

if was the 90s, grunge was huge .. it wasn't seen as unmasculine in any way

Why would plaid shirts and jeans be seen as not masculine? You got Cobain in a dress and make up occasionally but beyond that there was nothing gender non- conforming in the way male grunge bands dressed. If anything the despised hair metal bands, which grunge was supposed to be the antidote for, were more gender non conforming in appearance (ignoring the sexist mindset , videos and songs of course) with their big hair and colourful spandex.

I think men dressing like that in 1960's Glasgow when my dad was young, would have been subject to much ridicule at the very least. My dad wore a pink shirt but that was about it.

So if your dad was young in the 60s you'd have been born in the 80s, maybe? Check out your parents' family photos, you may be in for a shock. I think there's a generational thing going on here: no one can believe that their parents could have been more daring and outrageous than were they themselves.

Lass I read a whole thread on Twitter the other day that suggested, debated, and then ‘confirmed’ that Kurt Cobain was trans and that was why he killed himself. Because he wore a dress once or twice.

Back in the early 90s I remember my mum looking at a group of scaffolders at work. They were doing intensely physical work and were very muscly, but one of them had long hair in a ponytail. My mum (then in her early 60s) was transfixed. 'Why would such a manly chap want to have long hair?' she said. Odd, given she'd lived through the 60s and 70s, but gender stereotypes are very powerful.

Punk rock is freedom.

the antithesis of trans.

Cobain. FFS. Is there no end to this stupidity?

Some men in the 60s and 70s dressed conservatively, some less so, some dressed outrageously. My personal experience was that how they dressed or how they looked had little bearing on how well they treated women, or on their “masculinity” in general.

if was the 90s, grunge was huge .. it wasn't seen as unmasculine in any way

You omitted what I was referring to - long hair.

I was responding to the poster who said their neighbour's son had been called 'girl' and 'gay' so many times that he'd cut his long hair.

I wasn't saying grunge clothing for men was 'unmasculine', just that they almost all had long hair and it was never seen that way. I doubt that posters neighbour's son is wearing clothing perceived as feminine either.

(And yes I agree that glam rock or whatever the right term is (maybe not glam rock in the 90s, it was kind of retro glam rock) band members were more flamboyant and wore the sort of clingy, figure hugging, slashed to navel stuff more associated with feminine dressing.

Cobain. FFS. Is there no end to this stupidity?

Well he did marry Courtney Love - sorry, bad joke. Never keen on her for some reason.

I think this is nonsense tbh. Yes sure, people in bands and people living in the trendier bits of London might have got away with wearing flamboyant stuff, but everywhere else I expect people still dressed pretty conservatively and anything that hinted at different sexuality would have been viewed with hostility.

I think that the 80's is when non gender conforming apparel was worn by the masses. Before that it was mainly pop stars and some minority groups of people like skinheads, suede heads.
BettyduMonde posted some fabulous pictures on another thread about this. I'll see if I can find it

If the TtRAs think Cobain was tranx because of a dress what do they thjink of Axel Rose anx his 'nobody knows I'm a lesbian' t-shirt? Posterboy of 90s Trans?

The whole point of Kurt Cobain wearing the dress was to poke fun at gender roles and perceptions. The whole 'claim anyone cool who cross dressed once or twice for whatever reason' trend at the moment is ridiculous. Frida Kahlo anyone? And KC had massive drug and MH issues so saying he committed suicide as can result of latent (totally undocumented) trans tendencies is just fatuous and offensive to his memory.

Also using my comment to slate Courtney Love is low.

CL is a victim of patriarchy and misogyny on a grand scale. Whether you like her or her music or not she has been treated appallingly by the press and public simply because she is a woman. A lot of her time with Kurt they made similar career moves and reflected each other and she was lambasted for everything she did whilst he was worshipped. Double standards always.

Female artists are not given the same respect male artists are.

Female artists are not given the same respect male artists are

The nasty comment about being married to CL is out of order , but come off it, so far as not respecting her as an artist the fact she has not an ounce of Cobain's talent might have play a part .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Love

In 1999, Love was awarded an Orville H. Gibson award for Best Female Rock Guitarist.

Their music appeals to different audiences but she is no slouch!

I am dyed in the wool Nirvana fan through and through. I won't hear a word against Courtney Love and have never understood the immediate response that she is not worthy. This is exactly the sort of ridiculousness we are fighting against.

Courtney is a woman and person in her own right not defined by a husband. She is a polymath and an outstanding feminist. I wish I had an ounce of the grit and talent she has.

margaretcho.com/2004/07/13/courtney-deserves-better-from-feminists/

I absolutely love Courtney Love. I was very excited that Hole are on the Captain Marvel soundtrack.

Also using my comment to slate Courtney Love is low.

I've never had a good impression of Courtney Love as a person, partner or mother.

He'd daughter was claiming very unpleasant things about her when she was younger, they've had s very mixed relationship; which I attribute to her, jig her daughter. And them being on good terms now probably days more about children's unconditional love for parents than anything else.

Perhaps I'm misinformed.

Also never rated he'd music but again I could be wrong.

*Her
*Not her daughter