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Anyone else seen this the morning & shouted at their tv? My husband who is only partially aware of trans issues correctly identified that bringing up a child without a gender will be confusing and cruel for poor Sparrow who they plan to never tell about being a boy or girl!?

Oh yes. Poor Sparrow and Hazel.

Piers Morgan spent way too much time trying to needle the interviewee about the children's pronouns being grammatically correct, but made the point very effectively about parents taking responsibility for their children's decisions - because that's our job! You don't take your lead from how a toddler 'feels' about their gender/name.

Have just seen Piers says it was the most extraordinary interview he has ever been involved in. I can’t wait to watch it.

I have recently had dealings with a lovely young person whose name I can't repeat for obvious professional reasons. But think of a multi word name that even Bob Geldof or Jamie Oliver would reject as being bonkers. What is your preferred name? I asked prompting a rueful laugh. It has been the bane of their life, all their life and as soon as they obtained adulthood they legally changed their name to an ordinary four letter name. Just hasn't got round to updating all the institutions hence the name being retained at my place of work. Actually Sparrow isn't a bad name by comparison but the thing is with parents like this - they almost guarantee their children will go the opposite way

Some parents have always given their kids ridulous names. Think of the flower-power 60s/70s and all the names kids were given then. I read one story about a girl who was named Tree by her hippy-dippy parents; at the age of eight, she demanded that everybody call her George instead - that became her legal name that she still uses. Then there's David Bowie's son Zowie - he's been plain Duncan Jones for years. On the other hand, Frank Zappa's daughter Moon Unit is still proud of her unique name.
Give your kids unusual names if you want, but either pair it with a 'normal' middle name that they can use, or let them know that they can call themselves what they want eventually.

I watched the interview live and then on catch up to make sure I hadn't dreamt it. The "parent" being interviewed identified as non-binary, but was clearly a male presenting biological female. "They" were married to a woman who was born a woman. In the family photo shown there was another adult who had a beard and who I assume I am allowed to state was a male. They/he/she was the third wheel in what the interviewee called a multiparented family. Presumably he was on board as he has a penis and can produce sperm, although that's not something the family's children would be told about themselves, if biological males, as that would be deciding their gender for them!

What I got from the interview was that they (only saying that cause I can't remember her name) think a baby/toddler/child doesn't know what gender is, so as a social construct it shouldn't be forced upon them, in terms of name, pronoun, dress etc. They should be allowed to play and explore, and if they decide they're a non-binary god knows what then hey, crack on, change your name etc.

The older child Hazel apparently knew they wanted to change gender at 4, and after two years their name was changed. She told PM that if Sparrow, now one, told her at age two that they wanted to be a different gender that would be fine. She then accused PM of "childism". Apparently that's not allowing your child to express themselves however they want whenever they want.

Oh, and apparently her oldest child only had questions around their gender as they had been brought up in such an open LGBT environment, which allowed her to "explore". Nothing to do with the fact that she wasn't allowed to say mum/dad or he/she, and was clearly being indoctrinated by this trio of self serving confused navel gazing loons.

I think this is just the logical conclusion of the absolute woke clap trap that's been rumbling around for some time now. How is it that we've got to a place where PM has to defend himself for bringing up three sons and a daughter as three boys and a girl? In my view it's because people have been too afraid to call this bullshit for what it is. The fact that PM is the voice of reason speaks volumes. I generally had little time for him, but I think he's a bloody hero for speaking out now as he does.

Hope the trio are saving for therapy, not college, for those poor children.

News report:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6776703/Florida-mother-reveals-raising-gender-neutral-11-month-old-baby-named-Sparrow.html

You don't even need to read the first paragraph to say 'WTF'

Florida mother reveals how she and her transgender household are raising a gender neutral 11-month-old named Sparrow as a 'theyby' not a baby so it can decide its sex at an older age
Ari Dennis, 30, believes babies should wait until they can determine their gender
Inspired to raise Sparrow gender-neutral after other child changed gender age 4
Keeps Sparrow's anatomy secret and says Hazel calls the child 'baby sibling'

From that article:

'We do not know what Sparrow’s gender is yet and, as regards to her anatomy, we choose to keep that secret except for a small list of caregivers.'

Her anatomy? I thought Sparrow was a 'theyby'? Is it a typo?

Imagine how terribly disappointing it will be if Sparrow is female and just decides that they want to wear dresses and makeup and be called 'she'.

According to the article

"‘I’m in a multi-adult family, there’s three of us with an eight-year-old and a one-year-old. All the adults in our household identify as transgender – I’m legally married to one and in a relationship with another,' she said."

However I'm looking at their FB and there's a picture of them at the swimming pool two conventionally female presenting people, and a convetionally male presenting person (ok, he has long hair, but it's roughly tied up, not brushed, he's balding, has big hairy arms, and a full beard and moustache). Only the vegan cat looks vaguely non-gender-conforming, except for the "forget princesses I want to be a scientist" t-shirt, which is quite confusing because from everyhing I've ever read being a transfemale 8 year old is exactly about liking princesses.

'Inspired to raise Sparrow gender-neutral after other child changed gender age 4'

Dear god, there is no end to some people's stupidity and self absorption. Those poor kids

Only the vegan cat looks vaguely non-gender-conforming

I agree Rocky . They'll be devastated if the child has a gender that matches it's genitals. What will they tell their LGBT friends ? They need the child to be questioning and unsure to prop up and validate their own choices. Jane wearing a dress and playing with a pram isn't as interesting as Cloud wearing a superman t-shirt and a tu-tu and identifying as a non-binary unicorn.

I read this earlier (though I am sure it is slightly different to what is there now) and it just comes across as just so complicated. Parenting really doesn't have to have so much drama around it. It seems so strange that we are now at a stage when letting children play with any toys and wear any clothes is seen as some type of special parenting. What has gone so wrong that what (many of) our parents did is now seen as being some amazing and unusual method?

Is it as case that they aren't special enough so they have to make their children so. (As in 'brave and stunning' )

Jesus, just watching this now. I feel so sorry for those poor kids!

Why can't they teach their children that boys can like whatever they want/wear what they want/look how they want and vice versa for girls?!

I really don't understand how grown adults can believe in this? Biological sex exists, otherwise how did they even have babies?!

YANBU. For millenia boys have been boys, girls have been girls. Yes, let's fight for equality of the sexes and not stereotype gender roles, but no, we should not imposing confusing messages on developing and such impressionable minds.

It's atrocious, and really if we as a society had any decency and common sense, should immediately flag this as child abuse.

Excuse the typos!

If a two-year-old child doesn’t have any ability to conceptualise gender isn’t it toxic that we’re telling them that they’re a boy or a girl solely because of their anatomy.’

No. They simply are a boy or a girl, one of the two sexes. What's toxic is if you limit their options based on their sex ie impose gender stereotypes.

And I hope the 'vegan cat' was a joke... well, maybe there are supplements which allow an obligate carnivore to survive.

When as a society did we decide to celebrate MH conditions and child abuse instead of helping people?

When as a society did we decide to celebrate MH conditions and child abuse instead of helping people?

But wait, being trans is not a mental health condition is it, because everything about being trans is exactly the same as being gay, and we don't call homosexuality a mental health condition.

Oh except that when kids are trans they absolutely must mutilate their bodies and be medicated on irreversible drugs for life.... Otherwise they will kill themselves and can never possibly be happy in the physical body they were born with.

But definitely not a mental health condition. Because LGB.

“Saffy, sweetie, darling...” etc

Exactly. Why can't they just raise their children that children can grow up to be anything and can play with any toys and wear any colours!?

I just can't wrap my head around how they will discuss the commonplace childhood adventures of potty training, or dealing with undescended testicle for example or even the boy/girl nappies some countries have (with appropriately positioned extra padding). It just seems like another way to make life extra difficult for no benefit.

Florida mother reveals how she and her transgender household are raising a gender neutral 11-month-old named Sparrow as a 'theyby' not a baby so it can decide its sex at an older age
Ari Dennis, 30, believes babies should wait until they can determine their gender

They need someone to explain to them the difference between sex and gender.

It really confuses me all of this. I’m just going to carry on calling my DS “my boy” when he comes in for a cuddle. He is my beautiful boy who is currently sleeping in his pink mermaid sleep bag and who’s favourite toy is a Minnie Mouse car. I don’t see what all the fuss is, but I may be missing something...

Patchwork That's exactly what I said to my dd this morning, that it's child abuse. I really do believe that it is a form of abuse. What physical and mental gymnastics must that family unit perform to stop Hazel from seeing Sparrow's genitals? Do they lock themselves away when nappy changing or bathing ?

And how the hell could the grandmother not have known what sex her own grandchild was whilst living in the same house for 3 months?? If I'd tried to pull that one on my mum she'd have told me to grow up and stop being so bloody stupid. But I guess that's the difference. The grandmother was probably terrified of saying anything in case she was cast out as a transphobic relative.